intend to buy a complete rig, but ...

wolfganggo · 01-22-2012, 01:22 PM

i dont know much about the leather accessories.

attached find some pic, pls post comment to the equipment, could this match to a 1917 DWM ari.

magazine pouch looks strange to me, also look at the upper front edge of wooden grip, i think that fits a litte poor to be original

hope to get better pics next week, will present them ....

thx from austria

wolfganggo......

Norme · 01-22-2012, 02:03 PM

Hi Wolfgang, Neither the holster nor pouch are correct for a 1917 Artillery. They are either Persian or copies, we need better photos, front and back, to tell which. Regards, Norm

wolfganggo · 01-22-2012, 06:25 PM

will see what pictures i will receive from the seller

wolfganggo .....

wolfganggo · 02-09-2012, 01:45 PM

attached the pictures of the leather and stock ....

pls comment, thx, wolfganggo .....

alanint · 02-09-2012, 02:11 PM

The holster is a crude Pakistani copy, IMHO. The poor stitching and poorly executed tool pouch are dead give-aways. The cover on the cleaning rod pouch is also incorrect. I would say the same for the magazine pouch.

If you have this holster on hand, smell it for a chemical odor, which they use to "antique" these fakes.

Norme · 02-09-2012, 02:30 PM

Hi Wolfgang, I lean towards Persian. While I don't have any first hand experience with Persian rigs, I do know that the folded over ears on the lid of the cleaning rod pouch, are a distinctive feature. As you probably know, the German makers used separate discs that were sewn on. Also, Persian rigs used local leather and the quality of workmanship did not equal that of German craftsmen. Can we see close up photos of the markings and numbers, if any, on the stock? Regards, Norm

George Anderson · 02-09-2012, 05:01 PM

The folded over ears on the cleaning rod sleeve are definitely Pakistani or Indian made copy from the 1960s or 1970s to compliment the Persians that were imported. All of the real leather made for the Persian contract guns of the 1930s was German made. The pouch, straps, etc are also Paki reproductions. Better close-up photos of the stock would help us pass judgement there.

Norme · 02-09-2012, 05:23 PM

Hi George, My source is Görtz/Sturgess' "Pistole Parabellum", pages 1311 and 1312. I quote:
"The Persian Army manufactured it's own holsters for both the P08s and LP08s supplied by Mauser in 1935.... The LP08 holster is readily distinguished from the German WW1 patterns by their total lack of marking, the quality of the leather and the stitching, the folded and sewn "ears" on the cleaning rod flap, and the square tip to the magazine pouch closure strap".
Best regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 02-09-2012, 08:01 PM

This abomination is as fake as John kerry's purple hearts. There is nothing redeeming about it...It is light years away from a 1917 Imperial Artillery.
Pure junk and I would stay away from it. Even if the stock is good ...it would be like a weiner with a coating of dog doo..that don't make it a corndog.

wolfganggo · 02-10-2012, 04:09 AM

thx to all, will see if i can get pictures from the stock, but nevertheless will hold my fingers away from the rig...
i think, with 3500 euros too expensive for an lp08 with reproaccesories

wolfganggo .....

chromeed · 02-10-2012, 04:09 PM

Can anyone tell me if this is a German Holster it came with my 1917 Art #9220
Is it worth restoring?

DavidJayUden · 02-10-2012, 04:38 PM

Chromeed:
I'm not seeing a problem with the holster, but the stock and boot look suspect.
dju

chromeed · 02-10-2012, 06:44 PM

The Stock and boot are from an aftermarket (made in India) Holster, stock, Double Magazine pouch and shoulder strap I paid $125.00 for at Atlanta Cutlery.
With a little bit of machining on the stock iron I got the stock to fit my 1917 Artillery just right. But it is probably not legal.

DavidJayUden · 02-10-2012, 08:42 PM

So long as it is (supposedly) an artillery stock on an artillery Luger, I don't think you'll have any problems with the Federales.

01-22-2012, 01:22 PM	#1
wolfganggo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: near vienna Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 81 Times in 18 Posts	intend to buy a complete rig, but ... i dont know much about the leather accessories. attached find some pic, pls post comment to the equipment, could this match to a 1917 DWM ari. magazine pouch looks strange to me, also look at the upper front edge of wooden grip, i think that fits a litte poor to be original hope to get better pics next week, will present them .... thx from austria wolfganggo...... Attached Thumbnails

01-22-2012, 06:25 PM	#3
wolfganggo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: near vienna Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 81 Times in 18 Posts	thx, norm will see what pictures i will receive from the seller wolfganggo .....

02-09-2012, 01:45 PM	#4
wolfganggo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: near vienna Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 81 Times in 18 Posts	i got the pix .... attached the pictures of the leather and stock .... pls comment, thx, wolfganggo ..... Attached Thumbnails

02-10-2012, 04:09 AM	#10
wolfganggo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: near vienna Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 81 Times in 18 Posts	gentleman, thank you thx to all, will see if i can get pictures from the stock, but nevertheless will hold my fingers away from the rig... i think, with 3500 euros too expensive for an lp08 with reproaccesories wolfganggo .....

02-10-2012, 04:09 PM	#11
chromeed User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 81 Thanks: 1 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts	Artilary Holster Can anyone tell me if this is a German Holster it came with my 1917 Art #9220 Is it worth restoring? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Ed Reimbold I Need: For my 1936 P-08 Mag #5800 will trade Mag Al Stamped Blue #6859 k Straight Eagle 655 & #3502 n+St Eagle 63 For my 1917 Artillary Wood Mag #9220 I have #3392 f +

01-22-2012, 02:03 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Wolfgang, Neither the holster nor pouch are correct for a 1917 Artillery. They are either Persian or copies, we need better photos, front and back, to tell which. Regards, Norm

02-09-2012, 02:11 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The holster is a crude Pakistani copy, IMHO. The poor stitching and poorly executed tool pouch are dead give-aways. The cover on the cleaning rod pouch is also incorrect. I would say the same for the magazine pouch. If you have this holster on hand, smell it for a chemical odor, which they use to "antique" these fakes.

02-09-2012, 02:30 PM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Wolfgang, I lean towards Persian. While I don't have any first hand experience with Persian rigs, I do know that the folded over ears on the lid of the cleaning rod pouch, are a distinctive feature. As you probably know, the German makers used separate discs that were sewn on. Also, Persian rigs used local leather and the quality of workmanship did not equal that of German craftsmen. Can we see close up photos of the markings and numbers, if any, on the stock? Regards, Norm

02-09-2012, 05:01 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	The folded over ears on the cleaning rod sleeve are definitely Pakistani or Indian made copy from the 1960s or 1970s to compliment the Persians that were imported. All of the real leather made for the Persian contract guns of the 1930s was German made. The pouch, straps, etc are also Paki reproductions. Better close-up photos of the stock would help us pass judgement there.

02-09-2012, 05:23 PM	#8
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi George, My source is Görtz/Sturgess' "Pistole Parabellum", pages 1311 and 1312. I quote: "The Persian Army manufactured it's own holsters for both the P08s and LP08s supplied by Mauser in 1935.... The LP08 holster is readily distinguished from the German WW1 patterns by their total lack of marking, the quality of the leather and the stitching, the folded and sewn "ears" on the cleaning rod flap, and the square tip to the magazine pouch closure strap". Best regards, Norm

02-09-2012, 08:01 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,931 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	This abomination is as fake as John kerry's purple hearts. There is nothing redeeming about it...It is light years away from a 1917 Imperial Artillery. Pure junk and I would stay away from it. Even if the stock is good ...it would be like a weiner with a coating of dog doo..that don't make it a corndog. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-10-2012, 04:38 PM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Chromeed: I'm not seeing a problem with the holster, but the stock and boot look suspect. dju

02-10-2012, 06:44 PM	#13
chromeed User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 81 Thanks: 1 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts	The Stock and boot are from an aftermarket (made in India) Holster, stock, Double Magazine pouch and shoulder strap I paid $125.00 for at Atlanta Cutlery. With a little bit of machining on the stock iron I got the stock to fit my 1917 Artillery just right. But it is probably not legal. __________________ Ed Reimbold I Need: For my 1936 P-08 Mag #5800 will trade Mag Al Stamped Blue #6859 k Straight Eagle 655 & #3502 n+St Eagle 63 For my 1917 Artillary Wood Mag #9220 I have #3392 f +

02-10-2012, 08:42 PM	#14
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	So long as it is (supposedly) an artillery stock on an artillery Luger, I don't think you'll have any problems with the Federales.