1917 Death Head - Page 3

cirelaw · 01-28-2012, 11:45 AM

R.I.A. Auctions sold this 1914 at auction,

cirelaw · 01-28-2012, 08:52 PM

Could these skulls be applied post production?

George Anderson · 01-29-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Could these skulls be applied post production?

Eric, they were all applied post production. The question is were they applied 1917-1918 or 1980's.

cirelaw · 01-29-2012, 05:11 PM

George That Makes Real Sence!!

alvin · 02-25-2012, 07:27 PM

Just watched this 1918 death head sold on OCA. Any thought on this one?

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...2&lid=12358628

https://www.proxibid.com/AuctionImag...7202/391-2.jpg

Hugo Borchardt · 02-25-2012, 11:58 PM

Alvin:

I was surprised to see it went for 3500 including buyer premium....I think there are likely real and fake out there (like everything right?) I like that it was in somewhat lousy condition. Mine is in similar condition (a 1912) and I like to think someone wouldn't bother with faking a beat up one, or likewise beat up a fake one. I hope some day more info shows up, such as an original doc with the same cartoonish DH. This is one of my favorite Luger mysteries....I lean towards application on bringbacks right after WWI by some type of US militia or a secret society, or a private signature similar to VONO?

I was interested in an early Luger in the same auction, but bidding was a little wild. Hopefully a good sign for the Luger market...

Clark

alvin · 02-26-2012, 07:21 AM

Yeah, quite a few guys wanted this gun and pumped the price up. Probably people got bored on "regular" Lugers, and mystery around DH attracts them. I watched bidding, Luger market is not bad for sellers -- many single action revolvers went under lower estimation, but most Lugers went in line with that.

rob00000 · 02-26-2012, 01:56 PM

Wow! There are so many variations, unit markings, models, controversies (and I thought there was a lot of controversy around JFK's assasination-that was before I discovered lugers-that's for sure!) (I never would've thunk!) It's unbelieveable. And every so often a troll shows up to liven things up around here!! Never a boring moment at this website. I love it!! ......so glad I joined. Here's to the never ending luger drama....I'll drink to that...

p.s. If you ever get bored...just come to lugerforum.com, click on "Message Board" & start reading......INSTANT CURE FOR BOREDOM!!!

sheepherder · 02-26-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rob00000

...And every so often a troll shows up to liven things up around here!!

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rob00000 · 02-26-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

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I didn't say we tolerated them or they lasted long here. Ha! Ha!

alvin · 02-26-2012, 06:33 PM

I guess this 1918 must be sold and bought by a sub-specialized Luger collectors. Otherwise, who would care a stamp on it. God knows. Hopefully, someone could study DH and publish something in future.

jfxcushman · 03-06-2012, 10:14 AM

I will add my TK to this discussion, as it is very similar to Jared's, except the rune is much less prominent. The fact that my TK also has numerous Nitro proofs indicate both went to the commercial market after the war. My TK is matched with a 1916 holster which is also serial numbered to the gun. It is a 1918 Erfurt. The holster also has a very faint TH stamped on the front of the holster. The Luger is also Nazi police due to Safety seer alteration.
-Did the holster come with the gun during the war, or were they matched up after the war? If after the war, I suspect they were Freikorps applied. If they were matched during the war, then flamethrower or storm troop unit origin is possible.
- The unit marking on the front trigger guard is eastern European origin I believe, either Czeck unit or one in Poland of the Algemeine SS type. The trigger guard is stamped S.R.C. 43. If desired I will post photos of this trigger guard.
Could these TKs have been stamped in 1960? Yes, but the holster TK is very faint and I believe to be WWI or Freikorps period.

01-28-2012, 11:45 AM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	R.I.A. Auctions sold this 1914 at auction, Attached Thumbnails

02-25-2012, 11:58 PM	#6
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 372 Thanks: 340 Thanked 143 Times in 48 Posts	Alvin: I was surprised to see it went for 3500 including buyer premium....I think there are likely real and fake out there (like everything right?) I like that it was in somewhat lousy condition. Mine is in similar condition (a 1912) and I like to think someone wouldn't bother with faking a beat up one, or likewise beat up a fake one. I hope some day more info shows up, such as an original doc with the same cartoonish DH. This is one of my favorite Luger mysteries....I lean towards application on bringbacks right after WWI by some type of US militia or a secret society, or a private signature similar to VONO? I was interested in an early Luger in the same auction, but bidding was a little wild. Hopefully a good sign for the Luger market... Clark __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

02-26-2012, 01:56 PM	#8
rob00000 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Connecticut Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 3 Posts	Wow! There are so many variations, unit markings, models, controversies (and I thought there was a lot of controversy around JFK's assasination-that was before I discovered lugers-that's for sure!) (I never would've thunk!) It's unbelieveable. And every so often a troll shows up to liven things up around here!! Never a boring moment at this website. I love it!! ......so glad I joined. Here's to the never ending luger drama....I'll drink to that... p.s. If you ever get bored...just come to lugerforum.com, click on "Message Board" & start reading......INSTANT CURE FOR BOREDOM!!! Last edited by rob00000; 02-26-2012 at 02:01 PM. Reason: ..

03-06-2012, 10:14 AM	#12
jfxcushman User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I will add my TK to this discussion, as it is very similar to Jared's, except the rune is much less prominent. The fact that my TK also has numerous Nitro proofs indicate both went to the commercial market after the war. My TK is matched with a 1916 holster which is also serial numbered to the gun. It is a 1918 Erfurt. The holster also has a very faint TH stamped on the front of the holster. The Luger is also Nazi police due to Safety seer alteration. -Did the holster come with the gun during the war, or were they matched up after the war? If after the war, I suspect they were Freikorps applied. If they were matched during the war, then flamethrower or storm troop unit origin is possible. - The unit marking on the front trigger guard is eastern European origin I believe, either Czeck unit or one in Poland of the Algemeine SS type. The trigger guard is stamped S.R.C. 43. If desired I will post photos of this trigger guard. Could these TKs have been stamped in 1960? Yes, but the holster TK is very faint and I believe to be WWI or Freikorps period. Attached Thumbnails

01-28-2012, 08:52 PM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Could these skulls be applied post production?

01-29-2012, 05:11 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	George That Makes Real Sence!!

02-25-2012, 07:27 PM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Just watched this 1918 death head sold on OCA. Any thought on this one? https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...2&lid=12358628 https://www.proxibid.com/AuctionImag...7202/391-2.jpg

02-26-2012, 07:21 AM	#7
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Yeah, quite a few guys wanted this gun and pumped the price up. Probably people got bored on "regular" Lugers, and mystery around DH attracts them. I watched bidding, Luger market is not bad for sellers -- many single action revolvers went under lower estimation, but most Lugers went in line with that.

02-26-2012, 06:33 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I guess this 1918 must be sold and bought by a sub-specialized Luger collectors. Otherwise, who would care a stamp on it. God knows. Hopefully, someone could study DH and publish something in future.