1912 dated luger sn 45xx range with no banner

james.calton1 · 11-08-2011, 08:25 PM

Hello gang. I am a new luger owner, but and experienced German arms collector.....7 k98, 1 G43, 1 MP40, 1 P38, 1 Mauser 1914, and a slew of new Walthers. This gun is chambered in 9mm Luger and is all matching with imperial proofs. There is no banner on this pistol so i don't know who the manufacturer is. It does not look like it was ground off and there is no evidence of arsenal refinishing. Does anyone know how to nail down a manufacturer with a serial number range.... i have seen a few pictures or mauser and krieghoff production with no banners. Thanks in advance for your help.

James

DavidJayUden · 11-08-2011, 09:01 PM

We really, really, need a bit more to go on James.
dju

MFC · 11-08-2011, 11:33 PM

If it is dated 1912 over the chamber, it was made by either DWM or Erfurt. It should be on top of the forward toggle. If not, it is a replacement toggle. Military serial numbers started at #1 at the beginning of each year from 1910 to 1921. Pictures of the proofs and acceptance stamps will determine the manufacturer. Erfurts will have acceptance stamps on almost every part including the grip screws.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-08-2011, 11:46 PM

As Mike says if there is no DWM or Erfurt on the toggle then manufacturer can be determined by observing the many parts of the pistol. An Erfurt will have many of the small parts numbered AND proofed. DWM numbered most parts but did not additionally proof them like the German State Arsenal at Erfurt.

If your pistol is dated 1912 I believe it MUST bee a DWM. Erfurt started making Lugers in 1914?

Somebody correct me if I am wrong here...

MFC · 11-09-2011, 01:04 AM

Luger production at Erfurt began in 1910. Approximately 50 made that year. Full scale production began in 1911.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-09-2011, 07:59 AM

Mike Thanks! Shows you what I know!

Jerry

11-08-2011, 11:33 PM	#3
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	If it is dated 1912 over the chamber, it was made by either DWM or Erfurt. It should be on top of the forward toggle. If not, it is a replacement toggle. Military serial numbers started at #1 at the beginning of each year from 1910 to 1921. Pictures of the proofs and acceptance stamps will determine the manufacturer. Erfurts will have acceptance stamps on almost every part including the grip screws. __________________ Mike C.

11-08-2011, 11:46 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	As Mike says if there is no DWM or Erfurt on the toggle then manufacturer can be determined by observing the many parts of the pistol. An Erfurt will have many of the small parts numbered AND proofed. DWM numbered most parts but did not additionally proof them like the German State Arsenal at Erfurt. If your pistol is dated 1912 I believe it MUST bee a DWM. Erfurt started making Lugers in 1914? Somebody correct me if I am wrong here... __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-09-2011, 01:04 AM	#5
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Luger production at Erfurt began in 1910. Approximately 50 made that year. Full scale production began in 1911. __________________ Mike C.

11-09-2011, 07:59 AM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	Mike Thanks! Shows you what I know! Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-08-2011, 08:25 PM	#1
james.calton1 New User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1912 dated luger sn 45xx range with no banner Hello gang. I am a new luger owner, but and experienced German arms collector.....7 k98, 1 G43, 1 MP40, 1 P38, 1 Mauser 1914, and a slew of new Walthers. This gun is chambered in 9mm Luger and is all matching with imperial proofs. There is no banner on this pistol so i don't know who the manufacturer is. It does not look like it was ground off and there is no evidence of arsenal refinishing. Does anyone know how to nail down a manufacturer with a serial number range.... i have seen a few pictures or mauser and krieghoff production with no banners. Thanks in advance for your help. James

11-08-2011, 09:01 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	We really, really, need a bit more to go on James. dju