New member but old Luger. Help identifying.

Dohhunter · 11-02-2011, 01:13 PM

Good day all, I've been meaning to join for awhile now as I'd love some insight as to what exactly my father has had sitting in his safe for forty years now (as with most stories, his Uncle won this in a poker game

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Some data to back up the pictures (my apologies for the iPhone files, I'd be happy to grab some clearer ones of a particular part if that would help):

1) DWM inscription only
2) Toggle knobs are knurled, no dish
3) Grip safety
4) 2 original magazines, but they appear to be unmarked as far as I can tell
5) .30
6) no stock lug
7) no marking under thumb safety
8) Barrel is approximately 4.5" from muzzle to extractor, approximately 3.75" from muzzle to front of chamber
9) two crown "N"s on left side of extractor
10) horizontal crown "N" on left side of gun/chamber (see picture)
11) as far as I know, not refinished
12) serial #55220, only matching # I see is on the rear of the gun (only a '20' as shown on picture).

Any review/comments are appreciated!

Best regards, Mike in Ontario/Canada

lugerholsterrepair · 11-02-2011, 02:48 PM

Commercial 06.

Holster is 4 decades later and military. 1940

DavidJayUden · 11-02-2011, 03:25 PM

And a very nice one...
dju

Dohhunter · 11-02-2011, 03:38 PM

Thank you gentlemen. Now how did that holster come to be mixed up with that gun lol.

Hugo Borchardt · 11-02-2011, 06:37 PM

Agreed. Very nice 1906 Commercial! Serial #s were in range 25050 - 69000. Both magazines on a 7.65 such as this one are unmarked so are likely correct!!

I'm pretty sure this one is Russian (not really - that's a light-hearted joke aimed at a controversial forum subject).

Congratulations on such a nice, early Luger! Welcome to the forum!

Clark

Clark

lugerholsterrepair · 11-02-2011, 08:11 PM

Mike..Now how did that holster come to be mixed up with that gun ??

Hard to say other than it's a Luger and it's a Luger holster. The holster is made for a 4 inch pistol, your 06 commercial might ride a little high in it!

Marc, No the holster is no reproduction.

Dohhunter · 11-03-2011, 01:56 PM

Well, I ran this by my father again. He may be 84, but his memory is still pretty sharp.

His uncle received this in the late 50's (ok, he was exaggerating about the poker game, he really isn't sure my great uncle's relationship with the original owner) from a gentleman who served (Canadian) in WWII. The story was he relieved a German officer of the holster and firearm.

That fits the results we see above, but if it's true how did the officer end up using an '06 commercial gun.

I have the original registration certification from the first owner, I'm going to dig it up and grab his name. Must be a way to check Veteran's records to find out if the overseas part is true, anyhow.

Thanks for the help guys, nothing but hearsay for now on this end

lugerholsterrepair · 11-03-2011, 02:13 PM

Mike, The story was he relieved a German officer of the holster and firearm.

This is a highly improbable scenario..The 9MM Luger cartridge was the only one available to troops in the field .. .30 Luger cartridge would have been unavailable. I seriously doubt a German Officer would have carried this commercial pistol.

alanint · 11-03-2011, 03:31 PM

This probably came out of the woodwork directly post war when all German communities were required to turn in all firearms. With German efficiency, town turned over everything from beautiful sporting arms to medieval armor!

Dohhunter · 11-03-2011, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Mike, The story was he relieved a German officer of the holster and firearm.

This is a highly improbable scenario..The 9MM Luger cartridge was the only one available to troops in the field .. .30 Luger cartridge would have been unavailable. I seriously doubt a German Officer would have carried this commercial pistol.

Personally, I fully believe your analysis is the more representative of actual events than the tale above. Unfortunately, I'd guesstimate broken telephone is often the case in most second hand war-era stories.

I'll do a little further research into the original owner anyhow

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

This probably came out of the woodwork directly post war when all German communities were required to turn in all firearms. With German efficiency, town turned over everything from beautiful sporting arms to medieval armor!

Right place/right time combined with a little mix/match and voila, great story.

What a treasure trove those depots must've been.

11-02-2011, 01:13 PM	#1
Dohhunter New User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New member but old Luger. Help identifying. Good day all, I've been meaning to join for awhile now as I'd love some insight as to what exactly my father has had sitting in his safe for forty years now (as with most stories, his Uncle won this in a poker game . Some data to back up the pictures (my apologies for the iPhone files, I'd be happy to grab some clearer ones of a particular part if that would help): 1) DWM inscription only 2) Toggle knobs are knurled, no dish 3) Grip safety 4) 2 original magazines, but they appear to be unmarked as far as I can tell 5) .30 6) no stock lug 7) no marking under thumb safety 8) Barrel is approximately 4.5" from muzzle to extractor, approximately 3.75" from muzzle to front of chamber 9) two crown "N"s on left side of extractor 10) horizontal crown "N" on left side of gun/chamber (see picture) 11) as far as I know, not refinished 12) serial #55220, only matching # I see is on the rear of the gun (only a '20' as shown on picture). Any review/comments are appreciated! Best regards, Mike in Ontario/Canada Attached Thumbnails

11-02-2011, 02:48 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Commercial 06. Holster is 4 decades later and military. 1940 __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-02-2011, 08:11 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Mike..Now how did that holster come to be mixed up with that gun ?? Hard to say other than it's a Luger and it's a Luger holster. The holster is made for a 4 inch pistol, your 06 commercial might ride a little high in it! Marc, No the holster is no reproduction. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-03-2011, 02:13 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Mike, The story was he relieved a German officer of the holster and firearm. This is a highly improbable scenario..The 9MM Luger cartridge was the only one available to troops in the field .. .30 Luger cartridge would have been unavailable. I seriously doubt a German Officer would have carried this commercial pistol. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-02-2011, 03:25 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	And a very nice one... dju

11-02-2011, 03:38 PM	#4
Dohhunter New User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you gentlemen. Now how did that holster come to be mixed up with that gun lol.

11-02-2011, 06:37 PM	#5
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 339 Thanked 133 Times in 47 Posts	Agreed. Very nice 1906 Commercial! Serial #s were in range 25050 - 69000. Both magazines on a 7.65 such as this one are unmarked so are likely correct!! I'm pretty sure this one is Russian (not really - that's a light-hearted joke aimed at a controversial forum subject). Congratulations on such a nice, early Luger! Welcome to the forum! Clark Clark __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

11-03-2011, 01:56 PM	#7
Dohhunter New User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, I ran this by my father again. He may be 84, but his memory is still pretty sharp. His uncle received this in the late 50's (ok, he was exaggerating about the poker game, he really isn't sure my great uncle's relationship with the original owner) from a gentleman who served (Canadian) in WWII. The story was he relieved a German officer of the holster and firearm. That fits the results we see above, but if it's true how did the officer end up using an '06 commercial gun. I have the original registration certification from the first owner, I'm going to dig it up and grab his name. Must be a way to check Veteran's records to find out if the overseas part is true, anyhow. Thanks for the help guys, nothing but hearsay for now on this end

11-03-2011, 03:31 PM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	This probably came out of the woodwork directly post war when all German communities were required to turn in all firearms. With German efficiency, town turned over everything from beautiful sporting arms to medieval armor!