Would like your opinions before buying

nickbal72 · 10-10-2011, 07:01 PM

Hello, Im new here but have been reading a lot of what you guys have been saying. Very interesting stuff but basically would like some sort of approval before possibly buying my first luger. Ive been looking around and found a couple "black widows" at Checkpoint Charlies. Really all I care about is a ww2 military luger that is shootable in case you know of someone selling one on here.

http://www.checkpointcharlies.com/sh...6&categoryid=9

http://www.checkpointcharlies.com/sh...4&categoryid=9

I am more interested in the first one (byf42) but what do you guys think first?

Thanks!

Edward Tinker · 10-10-2011, 08:03 PM

nick, welcome to the forum

Many, many lugers from WW1 and used during the Weimar era were used in WW2

But I can understand wanting one made during the WW2 years (1939-1942), unless you count the nazi years, then that would be 1934-1945...

A shootable luger is a big difference than a collectable in price. I have 2 or 3 shooters that are WW2 that I will be taking to the Allentown show this weekend ($900) but I have not shot them yet.

Ed

Mike Z · 10-10-2011, 08:40 PM

Nick, Personally I would not want an import marked Luger. If Your Looking For a shooter find one with a good bore.
Just My Opinion.
Mike Z.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-10-2011, 08:54 PM

DARK BORE, IMPORT..two bad strikes. I have had several Lugers with what looked like the wost bores on the Planet. Both shot well but a bad bore is not something you go out looking for. I agree with Mike..I would pass on this one for those two reasons.

LUGER P08 BYF41 BLACK WIDOW MM, LOWER #1XX7, UPPER #7, SIDEPLATE #07, ORIGINAL WWII BLACK PLASIC GRIPS, GOOD BORE, 95% BUT ROUGH MAG

I don't know what Charlie is saying about the 2nd one..Is it a mismatch or not?

A bad magazine..if it isn't matched to the pistol no biggie. Just change it out for a good MecGar. A bad mag cuts $150 out of the deal for me though. Grips on both of these pistols look rough. I would want to authenticate the grips.

Ask Charlie if either of these shoot well. If he doesn't know..You might not have a shooter. If you are searching for a shooter make sure that's what you are buying. Not everyone wants to become a Luger mechanic.

nickbal72 · 10-11-2011, 06:00 PM

wow thanks very much for this advice I'm glad I asked. It would be nice if it was nazi marked but really just as long as it was in the war but is there any way to tell if an earlier luger was in WWII? The only reason I care about it being in the war is because I've recently taken interest into WWII relics and started collecting some pieces. Also I did email Charlie for more info and pictures on these and if they are shootable but no reply yet.

nickbal72 · 10-11-2011, 06:10 PM

Just an update; Charlie did get back to me and they are both shootable

hgreer2 · 10-11-2011, 06:14 PM

I have dealt with Charlie, he seems to be a standup guy.

Harry

lugerholsterrepair · 10-11-2011, 06:17 PM

I agree..Charlie is a great guy to deal with. One of only a handful of dealers I ever recommend.

Curly1 · 10-11-2011, 07:31 PM

Good guy Chalie, if you need more pics he will send them.

Edward Tinker · 10-11-2011, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickbal72

... but is there any way to tell if an earlier luger was in WWII? T.....

not usually

nickbal72 · 10-12-2011, 10:23 PM

I appreciate all these responses. I will probably just keep my eyes open and keep saving up.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-12-2011, 11:15 PM

"not usually"

Ed is being kinda criptic. Almost anything dated 1939-42 is pretty much guarenteed to be a WW2 pistol. You have to keep in mind almost ALL the German pistols participated in WW2 unless they were captured in WW1. There was plenty of carryover to the 2nd war.
I would add in the 1934-38 as well really. Where else would they have been used except WW2?
In addition to keeping your eyes open and building a nest egg..buy a book or two and expand your knowledge of Lugers in general. You may find many more models of interest than WW2.

10-10-2011, 08:03 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	nick, welcome to the forum Many, many lugers from WW1 and used during the Weimar era were used in WW2 But I can understand wanting one made during the WW2 years (1939-1942), unless you count the nazi years, then that would be 1934-1945... A shootable luger is a big difference than a collectable in price. I have 2 or 3 shooters that are WW2 that I will be taking to the Allentown show this weekend ($900) but I have not shot them yet. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-10-2011, 08:54 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,121 Times in 1,432 Posts	DARK BORE, IMPORT..two bad strikes. I have had several Lugers with what looked like the wost bores on the Planet. Both shot well but a bad bore is not something you go out looking for. I agree with Mike..I would pass on this one for those two reasons. LUGER P08 BYF41 BLACK WIDOW MM, LOWER #1XX7, UPPER #7, SIDEPLATE #07, ORIGINAL WWII BLACK PLASIC GRIPS, GOOD BORE, 95% BUT ROUGH MAG I don't know what Charlie is saying about the 2nd one..Is it a mismatch or not? A bad magazine..if it isn't matched to the pistol no biggie. Just change it out for a good MecGar. A bad mag cuts $150 out of the deal for me though. Grips on both of these pistols look rough. I would want to authenticate the grips. Ask Charlie if either of these shoot well. If he doesn't know..You might not have a shooter. If you are searching for a shooter make sure that's what you are buying. Not everyone wants to become a Luger mechanic. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-11-2011, 06:17 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,121 Times in 1,432 Posts	I agree..Charlie is a great guy to deal with. One of only a handful of dealers I ever recommend. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-11-2011, 07:31 PM	#9
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,234 Thanks: 116 Thanked 706 Times in 368 Posts	Good guy Chalie, if you need more pics he will send them. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

10-12-2011, 11:15 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,121 Times in 1,432 Posts	"not usually" Ed is being kinda criptic. Almost anything dated 1939-42 is pretty much guarenteed to be a WW2 pistol. You have to keep in mind almost ALL the German pistols participated in WW2 unless they were captured in WW1. There was plenty of carryover to the 2nd war. I would add in the 1934-38 as well really. Where else would they have been used except WW2? In addition to keeping your eyes open and building a nest egg..buy a book or two and expand your knowledge of Lugers in general. You may find many more models of interest than WW2. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-10-2011, 07:01 PM	#1
nickbal72 New User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Would like your opinions before buying Hello, Im new here but have been reading a lot of what you guys have been saying. Very interesting stuff but basically would like some sort of approval before possibly buying my first luger. Ive been looking around and found a couple "black widows" at Checkpoint Charlies. Really all I care about is a ww2 military luger that is shootable in case you know of someone selling one on here. http://www.checkpointcharlies.com/sh...6&categoryid=9 http://www.checkpointcharlies.com/sh...4&categoryid=9 I am more interested in the first one (byf42) but what do you guys think first? Thanks!

10-10-2011, 08:40 PM	#3
Mike Z User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 180 Thanks: 51 Thanked 79 Times in 39 Posts	Nick, Personally I would not want an import marked Luger. If Your Looking For a shooter find one with a good bore. Just My Opinion. Mike Z.

10-11-2011, 06:00 PM	#5
nickbal72 New User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	wow thanks very much for this advice I'm glad I asked. It would be nice if it was nazi marked but really just as long as it was in the war but is there any way to tell if an earlier luger was in WWII? The only reason I care about it being in the war is because I've recently taken interest into WWII relics and started collecting some pieces. Also I did email Charlie for more info and pictures on these and if they are shootable but no reply yet.

10-11-2011, 06:10 PM	#6
nickbal72 New User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just an update; Charlie did get back to me and they are both shootable

10-11-2011, 06:14 PM	#7
hgreer2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 309 Thanks: 1 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	I have dealt with Charlie, he seems to be a standup guy. Harry

10-12-2011, 10:23 PM	#11
nickbal72 New User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I appreciate all these responses. I will probably just keep my eyes open and keep saving up.