Incorrect Number vs. No Number

mjanway · 08-04-2011, 12:51 AM

In the world of Lugers, is it more preferable to have a part with an incorrect number or no number? This would have to do with a commercial shooter and internal parts or parts you could not see unless disassembled.

This has nothing to do with selling, buying, or trading as it is a family weapon and hopefully passed down forever more. In cleaning, repairing, and documenting several different types of weapons to continue this tradition, this question has been in my mind concerning the Luger.

Thank you

Jack

Norme · 08-04-2011, 01:01 AM

Hi Jack, You need to be more specific. Numbering on commercial Lugers was much more haphazard than on military guns. Internal parts like firing pins, hold-opens and grips were frequently unnumbered. Regards, Norm

Edward Tinker · 08-04-2011, 01:32 AM

agree 100%, even those that went into military or police service did not always get the same numbering as one that started life going into the military world for numbering

Ed

Lugerdoc · 08-04-2011, 10:57 AM

IMHO better no number, than the wrong number. On the other hand, if a part SHOULD be numbered and is not matching, some would still consider it a "shooter". TH

mjanway · 08-04-2011, 02:16 PM

Thank you for the responses. I have a breechblock and extractor with a wrong number, firing pin and sear bar with no numbers. I do understand the commercials were somewhat inconsistent with particular part markings but not really sure what parts would fall into that category. My Luger reference book which apparently I am sharing with at least one other person at our public library is checked out for a couple more weeks. (Good books on this weapon seem to be difficult to find and very expensive when you do.)

Again, this has nothing to do with value as this is a shooter and will always be a shooter. I am just wondering if it is worth the effort to be looking around at the shows and shops I frequent for parts. I would imagine that it would be easier to find an unnumbered part that one with a 17 on it, but if the wrong number and no number are held in the same regard, then it would be low on my list.

Lugers are quite a challenge to understand. I learn a lot from this forum and appreciate it. Thanks again.

Jack

Norme · 08-04-2011, 02:44 PM

Hi Jack, If as you say, this gun is a Commercial shooter, I wouldn't go to the trouble and expense of seeking out a matching breech-block. I think you can shoot this gun without having to worry about breaking a numbered part. Best regards, Norm

08-04-2011, 12:51 AM	#1
mjanway User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 54 Thanks: 31 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Incorrect Number vs. No Number In the world of Lugers, is it more preferable to have a part with an incorrect number or no number? This would have to do with a commercial shooter and internal parts or parts you could not see unless disassembled. This has nothing to do with selling, buying, or trading as it is a family weapon and hopefully passed down forever more. In cleaning, repairing, and documenting several different types of weapons to continue this tradition, this question has been in my mind concerning the Luger. Thank you Jack

08-04-2011, 01:32 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	agree 100%, even those that went into military or police service did not always get the same numbering as one that started life going into the military world for numbering Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-04-2011, 10:57 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	IMHO better no number, than the wrong number. On the other hand, if a part SHOULD be numbered and is not matching, some would still consider it a "shooter". TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-04-2011, 01:01 AM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jack, You need to be more specific. Numbering on commercial Lugers was much more haphazard than on military guns. Internal parts like firing pins, hold-opens and grips were frequently unnumbered. Regards, Norm

08-04-2011, 02:16 PM	#5
mjanway User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 54 Thanks: 31 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Thank you for the responses. I have a breechblock and extractor with a wrong number, firing pin and sear bar with no numbers. I do understand the commercials were somewhat inconsistent with particular part markings but not really sure what parts would fall into that category. My Luger reference book which apparently I am sharing with at least one other person at our public library is checked out for a couple more weeks. (Good books on this weapon seem to be difficult to find and very expensive when you do.) Again, this has nothing to do with value as this is a shooter and will always be a shooter. I am just wondering if it is worth the effort to be looking around at the shows and shops I frequent for parts. I would imagine that it would be easier to find an unnumbered part that one with a 17 on it, but if the wrong number and no number are held in the same regard, then it would be low on my list. Lugers are quite a challenge to understand. I learn a lot from this forum and appreciate it. Thanks again. Jack

08-04-2011, 02:44 PM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jack, If as you say, this gun is a Commercial shooter, I wouldn't go to the trouble and expense of seeking out a matching breech-block. I think you can shoot this gun without having to worry about breaking a numbered part. Best regards, Norm