1906 "Russian" Luger - Page 2

tomaustin · 12-27-2010, 11:27 PM

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A.Mifsin · 01-03-2011, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Leaving aside the great Russian/Bulgarian debate for another time, I'm amazed at how many really questionable Lugers are in this one collection - a veritable Luger rogues gallery! It's also disturbing that a previously highly respected auction house, like Greg Martin, would participate in this charade. It's probably no coincidence that GMA is holding this sale in Las Vegas. Regards, Norm

I am sorry Guys, you got me confused, is this Luger authentic or not?

Alf.

Norme · 01-03-2011, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Mifsin

I am sorry Guys, you got me confused, is this Luger authentic or not?

Alf.

I'm sorry, Alf, my New Year's resolution was to never discuss Russian Lugers again. Someone else will have to answer your question. Regards, Norm.
P.S. If you have time on your hands, you can read this.
http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...hlight=russian

Ron Wood · 01-03-2011, 11:04 AM

Alf,
It is difficult to tell from the photos, but I see some indication it is not. I would need gun in hand to give a better assessment.
Ron

drbuster · 01-03-2011, 11:18 AM

Ron, of course, gives the best answer here pertaining to the luger in question. I feel that after reading Goertz & Sturgess's volume II, reading and participating in the mega Forum discussion, that the 1906 luger with crossed rifles on the chamber is indeed a genuine production luger that emanated from the DWM factory with some confused markings on it that may have well even confused the "brains" at DWM. Whether this luger was destined for the Russian military officer as a private purchase or rather to some Bulgarian military unit is where the confusion and debate arises. Of course this will never be finally settled as no actual factory or sales records exist. Read it all and make your own clonclusions.

A.Mifsin · 01-03-2011, 12:35 PM

Thank You Guys.

Alf.

pitsword · 01-03-2011, 01:59 PM

I apologize for posting "lobster" distraction earlier.
pitsword

Norme · 01-03-2011, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben M.

Seems like when there is a Russian Luger discussion at that other Luger site, it stirs up a big "Pavlovian" response

And it makes a "Maltese Cross".

lugerholsterrepair · 01-03-2011, 09:52 PM

Punny!

A.Mifsin · 01-04-2011, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

And it makes a "Maltese Cross".

Not an original Maltese Cross.

Alf.

Hugo Borchardt · 01-11-2011, 12:24 PM

I received my full-color catalogue for this auction a couple weeks ago and just got around to reviewing it. There is an example of almost every "test" Luger - American, Peruvian, Venezualian, Japanese Navy, Russian etc. etc. plus an A&F. Almost every one of them says "Excellent as refinished/restored" or "with evidence of touch up" or "with evidence of added finish". In addition, many others look to good to be true for uncommon variants. This is quite disturbing indeed. A couple of pieces strongly pique my interest, such as the AE Test with the holster and the cased 1906 commercial with the english distributor marked barrel, but I am going to stay away from this one.

Clark

saab-bob · 01-11-2011, 01:13 PM

Clark

I was looking at the auction catalog as well and noticed the same thing. My take on any test weapon is that you beat it to death. That way, you see how it performs under different severe conditions. The term "test luger" and excellent original condition does not correlate to me.

To bad they are not selling the ultra rare "Djibouti test luger". I would be bidding big!

Bob

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01-11-2011, 12:24 PM	#31
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 339 Thanked 133 Times in 47 Posts	I received my full-color catalogue for this auction a couple weeks ago and just got around to reviewing it. There is an example of almost every "test" Luger - American, Peruvian, Venezualian, Japanese Navy, Russian etc. etc. plus an A&F. Almost every one of them says "Excellent as refinished/restored" or "with evidence of touch up" or "with evidence of added finish". In addition, many others look to good to be true for uncommon variants. This is quite disturbing indeed. A couple of pieces strongly pique my interest, such as the AE Test with the holster and the cased 1906 commercial with the english distributor marked barrel, but I am going to stay away from this one. Clark __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

01-03-2011, 11:18 AM	#25
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Ron, of course, gives the best answer here pertaining to the luger in question. I feel that after reading Goertz & Sturgess's volume II, reading and participating in the mega Forum discussion, that the 1906 luger with crossed rifles on the chamber is indeed a genuine production luger that emanated from the DWM factory with some confused markings on it that may have well even confused the "brains" at DWM. Whether this luger was destined for the Russian military officer as a private purchase or rather to some Bulgarian military unit is where the confusion and debate arises. Of course this will never be finally settled as no actual factory or sales records exist. Read it all and make your own clonclusions.

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pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 459 Thanks: 3,964 Thanked 103 Times in 83 Posts	I apologize for posting "lobster" distraction earlier. pitsword

01-11-2011, 01:13 PM	#32
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Clark I was looking at the auction catalog as well and noticed the same thing. My take on any test weapon is that you beat it to death. That way, you see how it performs under different severe conditions. The term "test luger" and excellent original condition does not correlate to me. To bad they are not selling the ultra rare "Djibouti test luger". I would be bidding big! Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"