German Luger Commercial Holster

wlyon · 06-16-2010, 04:50 PM

Just acquired an interesting German commercial luger holster.

Inside has 5 separate identical stamps:
Johann Scharger
Schchmechermeir (??) not sure of this
Berchtesgaden 1943

Why a commercial holster like this made in Germany in 1943?

It has held a luger for many years by the inside impressions.

alanint · 06-16-2010, 06:08 PM

Considering that the town of Berchtesgaden was reserved for top nazis, (the population had all been screened and many moved out forcefully when Hitler decided this would be his alpine retreat), it would not be far fetched to suppose that this is a private maker to the nazi elite. This could only have been a private purchase for top brass who liked to set themselves above standard equipment. The date 1943 re enforces this
A very interesting find

lugerholsterrepair · 06-16-2010, 08:35 PM

Bill, A very interesting piece..Fascinating markings. A mystery for sure.

Doug, Top Nazi Party Officials were not in the habit of carrying large combat pistols like the Luger.

Jerry Burney

Hugo Borchardt · 06-17-2010, 12:55 AM

Great find! Thanks for showing.

Ice · 06-17-2010, 05:29 AM

Although a top party member may have carried a PPk or PP officially, is it not possible that the holster was for his personal Luger? Anyway, a very nice holster.

Charlie

alanint · 06-17-2010, 06:38 AM

Yet we just discussed Herman Goering's rather large S&W revolver and the fact that other German Generals also favored non issue "signature" guns, which allowed them to stand out from the crowd.
I say anything was possible and I cannot imagine a private maker in Berchtesgaden in 1943 making a large, private purchase holster for anybody but a nazi or military official, since private gun ownership was illegal for the general population.

Edward Tinker · 06-17-2010, 10:12 AM

there were also a lot of troops stationed in the area to protect the higher ups and area...

alanint · 06-17-2010, 02:26 PM

Yes, but with no permission or discretion to arm themselves with non standard gear?

I like my influential owner theory!

lugerholsterrepair · 06-17-2010, 03:07 PM

"I say anything was possible " Let us look at what we know rather than fanciful theory's about High Party Officials.

The holster is made WAY out of the norm as far as shape. The maker used what appears to be fairly thin garment leather. The closure is reminiscant of a luggage clasp.

The quality is such that I suspect this maker was not in the Luger holster business full time.

The high quality stamps indicate that the maker WAS in some sort of leather/or other business. There was no use of the 3 letter code...

Deffinately a private purchase and beyond these self evident facts...I think that any other ideas would be conjecture at best.

Jerry Burney

Vlim · 06-17-2010, 04:19 PM

It reminds me more of a flare gun holster of some sort, that was used for a luger instead.

wlyon · 06-17-2010, 07:07 PM

Vlim
I suppose it could have been for something else. However it fits a luger perfectly , including the grip which is fully enclosed, and by the wear marks inside has carried one for many years. I will try and get the second line of the manufacturers stamp better. I read no German and am curious what it says. Just looked, all of these are ink stamped and the middle is smaller. The best I can do is "Schuhmecherraelsre". Is this close to anything that makes sense? Thanks Bill

alanint · 06-17-2010, 07:50 PM

Ok, then how about this? A holster made for a nazi bigwig's kid?

Johann Scharger, toymaker to the nazi elite!
8^)

I'll stop now......

Ron Wood · 06-17-2010, 08:46 PM

"Schuhmachermeister"? - master shoe maker

pitsword · 06-17-2010, 10:24 PM

Peanut gallery here. I am confident that it is an original holster, for something. But it is sure...well not so pretty. However that being said, it is so much more than I have.

Best to all, pitsword

wlyon · 06-17-2010, 11:31 PM

Ron
Thanks, that is probably it. Very hard to read. It is a rather ugly thing but interesting maker location and date. From the fit I am fairly certain it was made for a luger. Bill

Ron Wood · 06-18-2010, 12:55 AM

Not at all inconceivable that one of the cuckoos from the Eagles Nest had the local cobbler stitch up a holster for his personal toggle top.

rolandtg · 06-18-2010, 07:48 PM

It's obviously Hitler's personal Luger holster!

alanint · 06-18-2010, 11:00 PM

Wait!! Didn't Goebbels have a withered arm?

Just the candidate for that twist closure versus a hard to open buckle strap!

Ron Wood · 06-19-2010, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

Wait!! Didn't Goebbels have a withered arm?

No, that was Kaiser Wilhelm.

alanint · 06-19-2010, 08:50 AM

That's right. Goebbels had a club foot. A case of mistaken infirmities...

06-16-2010, 04:50 PM	#1
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,556 Times in 954 Posts	German Luger Commercial Holster Just acquired an interesting German commercial luger holster. Inside has 5 separate identical stamps: Johann Scharger Schchmechermeir (??) not sure of this Berchtesgaden 1943 Why a commercial holster like this made in Germany in 1943? It has held a luger for many years by the inside impressions. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Bill Lyon

06-16-2010, 08:35 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,931 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Bill, A very interesting piece..Fascinating markings. A mystery for sure. Doug, Top Nazi Party Officials were not in the habit of carrying large combat pistols like the Luger. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-17-2010, 12:55 AM	#4
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 339 Thanked 133 Times in 47 Posts	Great find! Thanks for showing. __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

06-17-2010, 10:12 AM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,932 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,528 Times in 2,091 Posts	there were also a lot of troops stationed in the area to protect the higher ups and area... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-17-2010, 03:07 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,931 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	"I say anything was possible " Let us look at what we know rather than fanciful theory's about High Party Officials. The holster is made WAY out of the norm as far as shape. The maker used what appears to be fairly thin garment leather. The closure is reminiscant of a luggage clasp. The quality is such that I suspect this maker was not in the Luger holster business full time. The high quality stamps indicate that the maker WAS in some sort of leather/or other business. There was no use of the 3 letter code... Deffinately a private purchase and beyond these self evident facts...I think that any other ideas would be conjecture at best. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-16-2010, 06:08 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Considering that the town of Berchtesgaden was reserved for top nazis, (the population had all been screened and many moved out forcefully when Hitler decided this would be his alpine retreat), it would not be far fetched to suppose that this is a private maker to the nazi elite. This could only have been a private purchase for top brass who liked to set themselves above standard equipment. The date 1943 re enforces this A very interesting find

06-17-2010, 05:29 AM	#5
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	Although a top party member may have carried a PPk or PP officially, is it not possible that the holster was for his personal Luger? Anyway, a very nice holster. Charlie

06-17-2010, 06:38 AM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Yet we just discussed Herman Goering's rather large S&W revolver and the fact that other German Generals also favored non issue "signature" guns, which allowed them to stand out from the crowd. I say anything was possible and I cannot imagine a private maker in Berchtesgaden in 1943 making a large, private purchase holster for anybody but a nazi or military official, since private gun ownership was illegal for the general population.

06-17-2010, 02:26 PM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Yes, but with no permission or discretion to arm themselves with non standard gear? I like my influential owner theory!

06-17-2010, 04:19 PM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	It reminds me more of a flare gun holster of some sort, that was used for a luger instead.

06-17-2010, 07:07 PM	#11
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,556 Times in 954 Posts	Vlim I suppose it could have been for something else. However it fits a luger perfectly , including the grip which is fully enclosed, and by the wear marks inside has carried one for many years. I will try and get the second line of the manufacturers stamp better. I read no German and am curious what it says. Just looked, all of these are ink stamped and the middle is smaller. The best I can do is "Schuhmecherraelsre". Is this close to anything that makes sense? Thanks Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

06-17-2010, 07:50 PM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Ok, then how about this? A holster made for a nazi bigwig's kid? Johann Scharger, toymaker to the nazi elite! 8^) I'll stop now......

06-17-2010, 08:46 PM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,177 Times in 1,702 Posts	"Schuhmachermeister"? - master shoe maker __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-17-2010, 10:24 PM	#14
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 459 Thanks: 3,964 Thanked 103 Times in 83 Posts	Peanut gallery here. I am confident that it is an original holster, for something. But it is sure...well not so pretty. However that being said, it is so much more than I have. Best to all, pitsword

06-17-2010, 11:31 PM	#15
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,556 Times in 954 Posts	Ron Thanks, that is probably it. Very hard to read. It is a rather ugly thing but interesting maker location and date. From the fit I am fairly certain it was made for a luger. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

06-18-2010, 12:55 AM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,177 Times in 1,702 Posts	Not at all inconceivable that one of the cuckoos from the Eagles Nest had the local cobbler stitch up a holster for his personal toggle top. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-18-2010, 07:48 PM	#17
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 477 Thanks: 379 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	It's obviously Hitler's personal Luger holster!

06-18-2010, 11:00 PM	#18
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Wait!! Didn't Goebbels have a withered arm? Just the candidate for that twist closure versus a hard to open buckle strap!

06-19-2010, 08:50 AM	#20
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	That's right. Goebbels had a club foot. A case of mistaken infirmities...