Dwm 1921

hawaiico · 12-20-2009, 06:01 PM

Hello, I'm new to the luger. Always wanted one with matching numbers I could afford. Found this one at the local gun shop for $1,000. SN 87121. Don't know what the marks are and have taken a picture. Any information would be appreciated.
thanks, Bob

charly239 · 12-20-2009, 06:13 PM

you got a DVM military or Police weimar republic time 08.the proofs are only found on 1920 and 21 DVM birds.the proofs are called Dove and Buzzard .

regards thomas

Vlim · 12-20-2009, 06:15 PM

Hi,

These are Weimar Era proof and inspection marks. They replaced those used in Imperial days, as the German Empire ceased to exist after WW1. These pistols were ordered by and made for the Weimar Reichswehr.

Edward Tinker · 12-20-2009, 07:10 PM

In addition, it is a rarer variation called a 5-diget commericial variation that went into military service (no signs of police usage that I can see) made by DWM.

Although rarer, I think you over paid by about $300 because of the lack of finish. It also has a post war magazine in it.

Ed

charly239 · 12-20-2009, 07:15 PM

only 10000 was made for the 100000 mens army

regards thomas

Ron Wood · 12-20-2009, 07:30 PM

That is a neat gun..."patina" and all! You do not see many with only a 1921 chamber marking (Also like the Gerstner chest it is displayed on, you have good taste).

It may be a fairly scarce piece. Does it have a Crown/N on the left side of the receiver? It could be one of the very few routed directly to the Army.

hawaiico · 12-21-2009, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

In addition, it is a rarer variation called a 5-diget commericial variation that went into military service (no signs of police usage that I can see) made by DWM.

Although rarer, I think you over paid by about $300 because of the lack of finish. It also has a post war magazine in it.

Ed

Thanks Ed, I've been looking through gun shops in northern CA for over tens years to find one that didn't break the bank. Always over priced to me and mix matched. You must know the best places to look! I figured I need to start some-where. Now that I've been reading these great posts, I believe my journey has just begun. What a fasinating gun!
Bob

hawaiico · 12-21-2009, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

That is a neat gun..."patina" and all! You do not see many with only a 1921 chamber marking (Also like the Gerstner chest it is displayed on, you have good taste).

It may be a fairly scarce piece. Does it have a Crown/N on the left side of the receiver? It could be one of the very few routed directly to the Army.

I don't know what Crown/n looks like? Nothing seems to be on the left side. the cover plate has the numbers 91 on the inside and not on the outside. This is mentioned in one post, but I don't know if it is correct for my SN?
thanks, Bob

suum cuique · 12-21-2009, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

Hi,

These are Weimar Era proof and inspection marks. They replaced those used in Imperial days, as the German Empire ceased to exist after WW2. These pistols were ordered by and made for the Weimar Reichswehr.

Vlim, you mean WW1, right?

Edward Tinker · 12-21-2009, 09:27 PM

California prices are more expensive and less gun shows.

A commericially marked gun should have the parts numbered in the "hidden" manner, i.e. sideplate should ber marked on the underside, as should the take down lever. And although you don't want to take the safety lever off, it should be marked on the inside.

Ed

tomaustin · 12-21-2009, 09:44 PM

hawaiico.......tom

hawaiico · 12-22-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

California prices are more expensive and less gun shows.

A commericially marked gun should have the parts numbered in the "hidden" manner, i.e. sideplate should ber marked on the underside, as should the take down lever. And although you don't want to take the safety lever off, it should be marked on the inside.

Ed

Yep, land of fruits and nuts! Where are the good gun shows anyway?
Bob

Vlim · 12-22-2009, 04:32 PM

Andy, yes, silly typo there

hawaiico · 12-23-2009, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

California prices are more expensive and less gun shows.

A commericially marked gun should have the parts numbered in the "hidden" manner, i.e. sideplate should ber marked on the underside, as should the take down lever. And although you don't want to take the safety lever off, it should be marked on the inside.

Ed

Why wouldn't I want to take the safety lever off?
Bob

alanint · 12-23-2009, 10:04 PM

I'ts just a bit of a pain to remove and re assemble. If you are at all handy it is not a big deal...

MFC · 12-24-2009, 12:11 AM

alanint is right... just know that the pin that holds the thumb safety in place has to be pushed downward from the top of the frame and put in from the bottom going up to replace it.

12-20-2009, 06:01 PM	#1
hawaiico User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 9 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwm 1921 Hello, I'm new to the luger. Always wanted one with matching numbers I could afford. Found this one at the local gun shop for $1,000. SN 87121. Don't know what the marks are and have taken a picture. Any information would be appreciated. thanks, Bob Attached Thumbnails Last edited by hawaiico; 12-21-2009 at 08:26 PM.

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	In addition, it is a rarer variation called a 5-diget commericial variation that went into military service (no signs of police usage that I can see) made by DWM. Although rarer, I think you over paid by about $300 because of the lack of finish. It also has a post war magazine in it. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	That is a neat gun..."patina" and all! You do not see many with only a 1921 chamber marking (Also like the Gerstner chest it is displayed on, you have good taste). It may be a fairly scarce piece. Does it have a Crown/N on the left side of the receiver? It could be one of the very few routed directly to the Army. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-21-2009, 09:27 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	California prices are more expensive and less gun shows. A commericially marked gun should have the parts numbered in the "hidden" manner, i.e. sideplate should ber marked on the underside, as should the take down lever. And although you don't want to take the safety lever off, it should be marked on the inside. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-21-2009, 09:44 PM	#11
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	guys, this is a great string----i am learning right along with hawaiico.......tom

12-20-2009, 06:13 PM	#2
charly239 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 211 Thanks: 16 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	you got a DVM military or Police weimar republic time 08.the proofs are only found on 1920 and 21 DVM birds.the proofs are called Dove and Buzzard . regards thomas

12-20-2009, 06:15 PM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, These are Weimar Era proof and inspection marks. They replaced those used in Imperial days, as the German Empire ceased to exist after WW1. These pistols were ordered by and made for the Weimar Reichswehr.

12-20-2009, 07:15 PM	#5
charly239 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 211 Thanks: 16 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	only 10000 was made for the 100000 mens army regards thomas

12-22-2009, 04:32 PM	#13
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Andy, yes, silly typo there

12-23-2009, 10:04 PM	#15
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I'ts just a bit of a pain to remove and re assemble. If you are at all handy it is not a big deal...

12-24-2009, 12:11 AM	#16
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	alanint is right... just know that the pin that holds the thumb safety in place has to be pushed downward from the top of the frame and put in from the bottom going up to replace it. __________________ Mike C.