P.c.98.

barr44 · 11-15-2009, 12:01 PM

Folks,
I have just acquired a 1915 DWM luger, which although somewhat lacking in finish is in good order. All parts are matching except for the sear body assembly. It is of a different number but looks to be about as aged as the rest of the pistol. The sear bar assembly appears that it may have an Erfurt proof on it, a C/m.
The grip strap is marked P.C. 98., I was curious to know what the unit mark is and why it appears to be struck out.
I would appreciate any information that is forth coming.
Thanks, barr

klaus 3338 · 11-15-2009, 01:51 PM

I think that the P.C.98 is a Police unit stamp. A photo or better some photos would help to find it out.
Regards Klaus

barr44 · 11-17-2009, 08:23 PM

Klaus,

I have attached an image of the unit mark, as well as other images of the gun. It is a 1915 DWM s.n. 362g. There is also an image of the sear bar assembly and the mark, which looks like a crown/m, but I'm not sure.
Please let me know if there are other views that would help.
Thanks, barr

Don M · 11-17-2009, 11:51 PM

barr,

The marking may be from the police of the city of Chemnitz in Saxony but this is far from certain (HWIS pp. 221-222).

Lugerdoc · 11-18-2009, 10:26 AM

Barr, The grips shown in your photo appear to be typical Russian rework replacement. This may be where the Erfurt replacement sear was installed. I may have the correct numbered DWM sear; what number do you need? TH

Don M · 11-18-2009, 10:46 AM

Tom, the frame sn is 362g.

barr44 · 11-18-2009, 06:44 PM

Ok, guys thanks for your thoughts on this beast.
Do you think that the crown over m is an Erfurt proof? I wasn't sure and just through that out there, because it is similar to some of the Erfurt proofs. The grips are marked 62 on the inside and have what looks like a W mark, but aren't imperial marked.
I'd need a sear assembly marked 62, Tom, if you have one.
If this were a reworked police issue could the replacement sear assembly have been done at that time and would they have used an Erfurt sear assembly?
There is no sear safety on the gun, but it does have the hold open and the mag. no. doesn't match the rest of the gun.
Thanks again for the help. I'm sorry about the photos not being real good, for some reason when I uploaded them they became smaller although they weren't over the limit, not sure what caused that.
barr

Lugerdoc · 11-19-2009, 09:20 AM

Barr, Unfortunately I don't have the #62 sear or HO that you need. Have both with #61. Close but no cigar. TH

barr44 · 11-19-2009, 05:01 PM

Thanks lugerdoc for looking, I just needed the sear assembly, the HO is on the gun and marked correctly.
Just a little more info. It came with a N. Burghard - Pasing - marked holster with no tool. No date on the holster. The tool pouch had been cut out of the holster flap, other than that the holster is in good condition.
After looking at my 1918 Erfurt, I don't believe that the crown/m is an Erfurt proof. It must have some other meaning, perhaps proofed when it was changed out?
Anyway, if I can provide you folks with more info, please let me know. Thanks again for everything, barr

klaus 3338 · 11-20-2009, 02:32 AM

Barr, your crown/M is a C/U and we find it often from 1914 on (only) ERFURT Lugers. It´s an Erfurt proof!
N. Burghard Pasing was a holster maker. Burghard made holsters as a Subunternehmer (I don´t find an English word for that) for the AWM. So it seems that your Luger was in one of the 3 Bavarian Armys.
Regards Klaus

George Anderson · 11-20-2009, 07:28 AM

Klaus, "Subunternehmer" would be a subcontractor or jobber.

klaus 3338 · 11-20-2009, 11:02 AM

George, thank you!

barr44 · 11-20-2009, 11:08 AM

Klaus,
Thanks for clarifying the c/u and for the info on the holster and pistol. You say the gun was probably assigned to one of the three Bavarian army units. Do you have more info on these army units? Were they paramilitary police or actual army?
Since there is no date on the holster, do you feel it is of the right time frame for this pistol?
Again, I thank you folks, and appreciate your time and efforts. I have several reference books, but a lot of the information that you folks provide is not in any of my books. One would have to have a very extensive library to be able to provide all of the information available on this forum. A great bunch of well informed folks.
Again I thank you.
barr

11-15-2009, 12:01 PM	#1
barr44 User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: york co., va Posts: 153 Thanks: 27 Thanked 35 Times in 21 Posts	P.c.98. Folks, I have just acquired a 1915 DWM luger, which although somewhat lacking in finish is in good order. All parts are matching except for the sear body assembly. It is of a different number but looks to be about as aged as the rest of the pistol. The sear bar assembly appears that it may have an Erfurt proof on it, a C/m. The grip strap is marked P.C. 98., I was curious to know what the unit mark is and why it appears to be struck out. I would appreciate any information that is forth coming. Thanks, barr

11-17-2009, 08:23 PM	#3
barr44 User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: york co., va Posts: 153 Thanks: 27 Thanked 35 Times in 21 Posts	Unit mark on DWM 1915 Klaus, I have attached an image of the unit mark, as well as other images of the gun. It is a 1915 DWM s.n. 362g. There is also an image of the sear bar assembly and the mark, which looks like a crown/m, but I'm not sure. Please let me know if there are other views that would help. Thanks, barr Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

11-17-2009, 11:51 PM	#4
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	barr, The marking may be from the police of the city of Chemnitz in Saxony but this is far from certain (HWIS pp. 221-222). __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

11-18-2009, 10:26 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Barr, The grips shown in your photo appear to be typical Russian rework replacement. This may be where the Erfurt replacement sear was installed. I may have the correct numbered DWM sear; what number do you need? TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-18-2009, 06:44 PM	#7
barr44 User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: york co., va Posts: 153 Thanks: 27 Thanked 35 Times in 21 Posts	1915 Luger mark? Ok, guys thanks for your thoughts on this beast. Do you think that the crown over m is an Erfurt proof? I wasn't sure and just through that out there, because it is similar to some of the Erfurt proofs. The grips are marked 62 on the inside and have what looks like a W mark, but aren't imperial marked. I'd need a sear assembly marked 62, Tom, if you have one. If this were a reworked police issue could the replacement sear assembly have been done at that time and would they have used an Erfurt sear assembly? There is no sear safety on the gun, but it does have the hold open and the mag. no. doesn't match the rest of the gun. Thanks again for the help. I'm sorry about the photos not being real good, for some reason when I uploaded them they became smaller although they weren't over the limit, not sure what caused that. barr

11-15-2009, 01:51 PM	#2
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	I think that the P.C.98 is a Police unit stamp. A photo or better some photos would help to find it out. Regards Klaus

11-18-2009, 10:46 AM	#6
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Tom, the frame sn is 362g. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

11-19-2009, 09:20 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Barr, Unfortunately I don't have the #62 sear or HO that you need. Have both with #61. Close but no cigar. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-19-2009, 05:01 PM	#9
barr44 User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: york co., va Posts: 153 Thanks: 27 Thanked 35 Times in 21 Posts	A little more info Thanks lugerdoc for looking, I just needed the sear assembly, the HO is on the gun and marked correctly. Just a little more info. It came with a N. Burghard - Pasing - marked holster with no tool. No date on the holster. The tool pouch had been cut out of the holster flap, other than that the holster is in good condition. After looking at my 1918 Erfurt, I don't believe that the crown/m is an Erfurt proof. It must have some other meaning, perhaps proofed when it was changed out? Anyway, if I can provide you folks with more info, please let me know. Thanks again for everything, barr

11-20-2009, 02:32 AM	#10
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Barr, your crown/M is a C/U and we find it often from 1914 on (only) ERFURT Lugers. It´s an Erfurt proof! N. Burghard Pasing was a holster maker. Burghard made holsters as a Subunternehmer (I don´t find an English word for that) for the AWM. So it seems that your Luger was in one of the 3 Bavarian Armys. Regards Klaus Last edited by klaus 3338; 11-20-2009 at 11:02 AM.

11-20-2009, 07:28 AM	#11
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Klaus, "Subunternehmer" would be a subcontractor or jobber.

11-20-2009, 11:02 AM	#12
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	George, thank you!

11-20-2009, 11:08 AM	#13
barr44 User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: york co., va Posts: 153 Thanks: 27 Thanked 35 Times in 21 Posts	Bavarian Army? Klaus, Thanks for clarifying the c/u and for the info on the holster and pistol. You say the gun was probably assigned to one of the three Bavarian army units. Do you have more info on these army units? Were they paramilitary police or actual army? Since there is no date on the holster, do you feel it is of the right time frame for this pistol? Again, I thank you folks, and appreciate your time and efforts. I have several reference books, but a lot of the information that you folks provide is not in any of my books. One would have to have a very extensive library to be able to provide all of the information available on this forum. A great bunch of well informed folks. Again I thank you. barr