Pouch inside holster

Col.Klinck · 05-20-2009, 06:32 PM

I have a 1916 Erfurt, it came with a matched stamped and dated holster. Julius Schloss. It has a inch and a half by two inch pouch on the inside of the top flap of the holster. Was this for some kind of tool and is it possible to get this tool?

FNorm · 05-20-2009, 06:40 PM

Yes. It's call the take-down, or magazine tool. Real ones can be $100+, but there are several post-market ones around too. Search on this site for the above words.

FN

Col.Klinck · 05-20-2009, 06:45 PM

Thank you very much for the information.

FNorm · 05-20-2009, 09:59 PM

HM: Take a look at : https://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php...fdfdbebfdb1f95

Col.Klinck · 05-21-2009, 01:44 PM

What is the difference between a proofed and non-proofed take down tool? I'm kind of new at this.

Edward Tinker · 05-21-2009, 03:35 PM

Although this does not answer your specific question; this can help:

FAQ: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13121

An unmarked is either a DWM (many were unmarked, and when you say unmarked, that means no "acceptance" marking, its not a proof as some of us accidently say sometimes {you proof parts that take stress, these kind of parts are "accepted"}); or a Mauser non-military sometimes is not accetpance marked.

Ed

MFC · 05-22-2009, 12:54 AM

Hi Ernie,
Erfurt tools should have an acceptance stamp with a Crown over a gothic letter.

Lugerdoc · 05-22-2009, 09:27 AM

Since, An Imperial accepted (Erfurt) tool may be difficult to find and expensive, I do have both unmarked DWM WW1 tools available @$50 or new repros @$20. TH

klaus 3338 · 06-20-2009, 04:50 AM

Collecting Luger tools since about 25 years I observed that there are more accepted DWM tools than Erfurt.

All tools made before the â??Order for marking the Pistole 08â? (Vorschrift fÃ¼r die Stempelung der Pistole 08) dated 1910 seem to be without the acceptance mark. The contract between the German government and the private DWM regulate the first delivery of 50000 Lugers with their tools and rods and the beginning of making Lugers in the national Gewehrfabrik Erfurt made this order necessary.

We find acceptance marks on the receivers of the DWM and Erfurt Lugers. It is striking that we normally cannot find the DWM acceptance marks on Erfurt and reverse. ItÂ´s also striking that until 1915 all acceptance marks on the DWM receivers seems to have a 4 part crown while Erfurt acceptance marks always have a 3 part crown. So we find these also on the tools. There are some other differences: DWM tools always are â??bluedâ?, Erfurt unblued or blank. DWM tools have another shape than Erfurt and we canÂ´t find tools with Erfurt shape without an acceptance stamp.

I found DWM tools with the following letters/ acceptance marks: D, E, F, G, I, H, M, 2 different S, T, V, 2 different X, Z and C/M Navy. Erfurt with: A, C, D, G, H, J, N, 2 different underlined S and U.

Photo 1 is showing with DWM and photo 2 with Erfurt tools.

I think there should be more accepted tools because we find much more acceptance marks on the receivers as I can show here on the tools.

If another collector have one or more of them it would be nice to see it/ them here.

By the way: IÂ´m looking for following tools: Imperial C/M variation (not Navy), C/G; Weimar SU50 and Third Reich S/92. I would buy them for top dollar or can trade for other things (holsters, other tools or what else).

Vlim · 06-20-2009, 05:15 AM

Then, of course, there are also the post war tools made by Mauser and the DDR. These closely follow the lines of the original tools and are of a much better quality than the ordinary reproductions you see everywhere.

Mauser tools exist in blank, small banner and large banner variations and the DDR tools are easily identified by the ribbed thumb area, meant to improve grip.

05-20-2009, 06:32 PM	#1
Col.Klinck New User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pouch inside holster I have a 1916 Erfurt, it came with a matched stamped and dated holster. Julius Schloss. It has a inch and a half by two inch pouch on the inside of the top flap of the holster. Was this for some kind of tool and is it possible to get this tool?

05-21-2009, 03:35 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Although this does not answer your specific question; this can help: FAQ: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13121 An unmarked is either a DWM (many were unmarked, and when you say unmarked, that means no "acceptance" marking, its not a proof as some of us accidently say sometimes {you proof parts that take stress, these kind of parts are "accepted"}); or a Mauser non-military sometimes is not accetpance marked. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-22-2009, 12:54 AM	#7
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Ernie, Erfurt tools should have an acceptance stamp with a Crown over a gothic letter. __________________ Mike C.

05-22-2009, 09:27 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Since, An Imperial accepted (Erfurt) tool may be difficult to find and expensive, I do have both unmarked DWM WW1 tools available @$50 or new repros @$20. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-20-2009, 04:50 AM	#9
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 409 Times in 160 Posts	Collecting Luger tools since about 25 years I observed that there are more accepted DWM tools than Erfurt. All tools made before the â??Order for marking the Pistole 08â? (Vorschrift fÃ¼r die Stempelung der Pistole 08) dated 1910 seem to be without the acceptance mark. The contract between the German government and the private DWM regulate the first delivery of 50000 Lugers with their tools and rods and the beginning of making Lugers in the national Gewehrfabrik Erfurt made this order necessary. We find acceptance marks on the receivers of the DWM and Erfurt Lugers. It is striking that we normally cannot find the DWM acceptance marks on Erfurt and reverse. ItÂ´s also striking that until 1915 all acceptance marks on the DWM receivers seems to have a 4 part crown while Erfurt acceptance marks always have a 3 part crown. So we find these also on the tools. There are some other differences: DWM tools always are â??bluedâ?, Erfurt unblued or blank. DWM tools have another shape than Erfurt and we canÂ´t find tools with Erfurt shape without an acceptance stamp. I found DWM tools with the following letters/ acceptance marks: D, E, F, G, I, H, M, 2 different S, T, V, 2 different X, Z and C/M Navy. Erfurt with: A, C, D, G, H, J, N, 2 different underlined S and U. Photo 1 is showing with DWM and photo 2 with Erfurt tools. I think there should be more accepted tools because we find much more acceptance marks on the receivers as I can show here on the tools. If another collector have one or more of them it would be nice to see it/ them here. By the way: IÂ´m looking for following tools: Imperial C/M variation (not Navy), C/G; Weimar SU50 and Third Reich S/92. I would buy them for top dollar or can trade for other things (holsters, other tools or what else). Attached Thumbnails

05-20-2009, 06:40 PM	#2
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Yes. It's call the take-down, or magazine tool. Real ones can be $100+, but there are several post-market ones around too. Search on this site for the above words. FN

05-20-2009, 06:45 PM	#3
Col.Klinck New User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you very much for the information.

05-20-2009, 09:59 PM	#4
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	HM: Take a look at : https://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php...fdfdbebfdb1f95

05-21-2009, 01:44 PM	#5
Col.Klinck New User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What is the difference between a proofed and non-proofed take down tool? I'm kind of new at this.

06-20-2009, 05:15 AM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,048 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,951 Times in 1,199 Posts	Then, of course, there are also the post war tools made by Mauser and the DDR. These closely follow the lines of the original tools and are of a much better quality than the ordinary reproductions you see everywhere. Mauser tools exist in blank, small banner and large banner variations and the DDR tools are easily identified by the ribbed thumb area, meant to improve grip.