Black grip question

Dave Sanders · 12-28-2008, 02:35 PM

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but wondered about these grips. They came from a BYF 42 4257 g and bought from a major dealer that is one of the major dealers on this website, so I really didn't question the grips and bought it from him in the early 90's. As of late, more info has come about and I wondered about the authenticity of these.I found some information and pictures on Stills website, but can't say on these. I did the hot pin test, and the material is bakelite according to those tests, but it really doesn't match up to any of the examples I have seen. Any opinions?
Dave

Frank · 12-28-2008, 07:36 PM

Hi Dave, they are nice looking, but IMO they are NOT original!! Sorry

Dave Sanders · 12-28-2008, 11:49 PM

Thanks Frank, but that isn't what I wanted to hear. Darn, I was afraid of that. So, if I get a pair of brown wooden grips for it to be correct, what should be on the inside of the grips, 42, serial number last 2 digits, or nothing, or would all three be correct?
Dave

Frank · 12-29-2008, 08:11 AM

Dave, wooden grips numbered "57" would be correct. BUT, if you could find a pair with Waffenamt Marks "E/135" or a combination of "57" and "E/135" that would also be correct. Good Luck!! Of course, an original pair of Black Bakelite Grips is also an alternative. You might want to contact Tom Heller (ala Lugerdoc) to see what he might have.

G.T. · 12-29-2008, 09:28 AM

Hi Frank, Happy new year! Dave, the grips are off of 5" barrelled DWM P.08's that came in from a Scandanavian country back in the eighties... Can't remember wich one?? They actually are not correct for the Mauser frame, and will usually fit a DWM frame without any fitting....Anyway, If you decide to upgrade, I'd like to purchase your black grips that you have pictured... let me know if your interested... Best to you, and Happy New Year to all.... Commmmmonnnnn 2009!!! til...lat'r....GT

Dave Sanders · 12-29-2008, 11:31 AM

I really appreciate the info. GT, I would sell these to you as soon as I find a replacement pair. I guess you don't know of any black grips for sale, do you. These fit the luger in a really excellent way. They have been on the gun that way since I got it in the early 90's, and of course I didn't know any different. The internet is both a curse and a blessing.
Dave

G.T. · 12-29-2008, 05:33 PM

Black original grips are getting a bit tough to fine... most are in pretty good shape, but they are all going on other byf 42's. pretty much same senaro as yours! What is the condition of the P.08??... Perhaps a member has a E/135 replacement set... I'll keep my eyes open... Best to you Dave, til....lat'r....GT

Dave Sanders · 12-29-2008, 08:12 PM

The luger is a nice one and if possible I would like to keep it. I'll put a ad out for some replacement grips after I do a bit of searching.
Dave

G.T. · 12-29-2008, 10:25 PM

hi Dave, I see you've been around for awhile... Send me a PM, with you email address and we'll talk about some potential solutions .. My email address is: gctomeks@msn.com... best to you, til...lat'r...Gt

12-28-2008, 02:35 PM	#1
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	Black grip question I don't want to beat a dead horse, but wondered about these grips. They came from a BYF 42 4257 g and bought from a major dealer that is one of the major dealers on this website, so I really didn't question the grips and bought it from him in the early 90's. As of late, more info has come about and I wondered about the authenticity of these.I found some information and pictures on Stills website, but can't say on these. I did the hot pin test, and the material is bakelite according to those tests, but it really doesn't match up to any of the examples I have seen. Any opinions? Dave Attached Images

12-29-2008, 09:28 AM	#5
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,502 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,639 Times in 1,001 Posts	Hi Frank, Happy new year! Hi Frank, Happy new year! Dave, the grips are off of 5" barrelled DWM P.08's that came in from a Scandanavian country back in the eighties... Can't remember wich one?? They actually are not correct for the Mauser frame, and will usually fit a DWM frame without any fitting....Anyway, If you decide to upgrade, I'd like to purchase your black grips that you have pictured... let me know if your interested... Best to you, and Happy New Year to all.... Commmmmonnnnn 2009!!! til...lat'r....GT

12-29-2008, 05:33 PM	#7
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,502 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,639 Times in 1,001 Posts	Hi Dave Black original grips are getting a bit tough to fine... most are in pretty good shape, but they are all going on other byf 42's. pretty much same senaro as yours! What is the condition of the P.08??... Perhaps a member has a E/135 replacement set... I'll keep my eyes open... Best to you Dave, til....lat'r....GT

12-29-2008, 10:25 PM	#9
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,502 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,639 Times in 1,001 Posts	long time! hi Dave, I see you've been around for awhile... Send me a PM, with you email address and we'll talk about some potential solutions .. My email address is: gctomeks@msn.com... best to you, til...lat'r...Gt

12-28-2008, 07:36 PM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Dave, they are nice looking, but IMO they are NOT original!! Sorry

12-28-2008, 11:49 PM	#3
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	Thanks Frank, but that isn't what I wanted to hear. Darn, I was afraid of that. So, if I get a pair of brown wooden grips for it to be correct, what should be on the inside of the grips, 42, serial number last 2 digits, or nothing, or would all three be correct? Dave

12-29-2008, 08:11 AM	#4
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Dave, wooden grips numbered "57" would be correct. BUT, if you could find a pair with Waffenamt Marks "E/135" or a combination of "57" and "E/135" that would also be correct. Good Luck!! Of course, an original pair of Black Bakelite Grips is also an alternative. You might want to contact Tom Heller (ala Lugerdoc) to see what he might have.

12-29-2008, 11:31 AM	#6
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	I really appreciate the info. GT, I would sell these to you as soon as I find a replacement pair. I guess you don't know of any black grips for sale, do you. These fit the luger in a really excellent way. They have been on the gun that way since I got it in the early 90's, and of course I didn't know any different. The internet is both a curse and a blessing. Dave

12-29-2008, 08:12 PM	#8
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	The luger is a nice one and if possible I would like to keep it. I'll put a ad out for some replacement grips after I do a bit of searching. Dave