P.04 Type 1 Holster

JoeP.08 · 04-07-2008, 09:22 PM

Good Evening Members/Users:

A few weeks ago a P.04 Model 1906 "Grip Strap" was up for bid on Auctionarms and was presented here for "criteak". It was offered with a Type 1 Navy holster that looked pretty familiar to me and I knew I saw one like it before, especially from the back. I looked through my holster inventory and found this.

Here is a P.04 Navy Type 1 holster with period belt loop conversion. I've owned a Type 1 that was period belt converted but it still had the blocks. I subsequently sold that holster.

Still's, "Imperial Lugers", 1991, makes reference to a 1917 order for belt loop Navy holsters and makes mention of the issuance of straps for older holster conversion. Can anyone reveal more about this 1917 order to the Imperial German Navy?

JoeP.08 · 04-07-2008, 09:23 PM

Back of holster with single belt loop.

JoeP.08 · 04-07-2008, 09:25 PM

Maker mark located in the same general area as the Type 1 that was offered for sale. Different makers though.

JoeP.08 · 04-07-2008, 09:31 PM

Photo of a postcard with a Sea Battalion member with a belt loop converted Navy Type 1 holster.

Joe Pirolo

lugerholsterrepair · 04-08-2008, 12:25 AM

Joe, Very nice holster! I love the photo too...Do you think it would be possible to scan closer to see his belt buckle? I would love to see it.
Looks like he is wearing a double magazine pouch too....

Can anyone reveal more about this 1917 order to the Imperial German Navy?

I cannot answer your question but I suspect it might be in reference to the adaptor straps for the stock block so the holster could be belt worn without removing the stock block or installing a permanant belt loop.

Jerry Burney

Navy · 04-08-2008, 12:26 PM

One of my favorite photographs, which I have framed and hanging in "The Bunker" shows two young matrosen, cap tallies to the Unterseebooten-halbflotilla, with one wearing a Type 1 rig with a leather waist belt; the other wearing the Type 2 with what appears to be a fabric web belt.

The picture puts the lie to the commonly held belief that Type 2 holsters were exclusively for Seebattalions in Flanders.

Tom A

ChannelIsles · 04-09-2008, 04:14 PM

My Artillery 1917/20 with naval markings has a converted holster.
Perhaps being naval issued, the holster was also period converted?
Brendan

lugerholsterrepair · 04-09-2008, 04:25 PM

Brendan, Looks period to me...
Jerry Burney

04-07-2008, 09:22 PM	#1
JoeP.08 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: CT Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	P.04 Type 1 Holster Good Evening Members/Users: A few weeks ago a P.04 Model 1906 "Grip Strap" was up for bid on Auctionarms and was presented here for "criteak". It was offered with a Type 1 Navy holster that looked pretty familiar to me and I knew I saw one like it before, especially from the back. I looked through my holster inventory and found this. Here is a P.04 Navy Type 1 holster with period belt loop conversion. I've owned a Type 1 that was period belt converted but it still had the blocks. I subsequently sold that holster. Still's, "Imperial Lugers", 1991, makes reference to a 1917 order for belt loop Navy holsters and makes mention of the issuance of straps for older holster conversion. Can anyone reveal more about this 1917 order to the Imperial German Navy? Attached Thumbnails __________________ "It's good to be a great man but it's great to be a good man." Joseph F. Pirolo Sr. (1934-2010)

04-07-2008, 09:23 PM	#2
JoeP.08 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: CT Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Back of holster with single belt loop. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "It's good to be a great man but it's great to be a good man." Joseph F. Pirolo Sr. (1934-2010)

04-07-2008, 09:25 PM	#3
JoeP.08 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: CT Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Maker mark located in the same general area as the Type 1 that was offered for sale. Different makers though. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "It's good to be a great man but it's great to be a good man." Joseph F. Pirolo Sr. (1934-2010)

04-07-2008, 09:31 PM	#4
JoeP.08 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: CT Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Photo of a postcard with a Sea Battalion member with a belt loop converted Navy Type 1 holster. Joe Pirolo Attached Thumbnails __________________ "It's good to be a great man but it's great to be a good man." Joseph F. Pirolo Sr. (1934-2010)

04-08-2008, 12:25 AM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,926 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Joe, Very nice holster! I love the photo too...Do you think it would be possible to scan closer to see his belt buckle? I would love to see it. Looks like he is wearing a double magazine pouch too.... Can anyone reveal more about this 1917 order to the Imperial German Navy? I cannot answer your question but I suspect it might be in reference to the adaptor straps for the stock block so the holster could be belt worn without removing the stock block or installing a permanant belt loop. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-08-2008, 12:26 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	One of my favorite photographs, which I have framed and hanging in "The Bunker" shows two young matrosen, cap tallies to the Unterseebooten-halbflotilla, with one wearing a Type 1 rig with a leather waist belt; the other wearing the Type 2 with what appears to be a fabric web belt. The picture puts the lie to the commonly held belief that Type 2 holsters were exclusively for Seebattalions in Flanders. Tom A

04-09-2008, 04:14 PM	#7
ChannelIsles User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jersey Channel Islands Posts: 156 Thanks: 8 Thanked 33 Times in 16 Posts	My Artillery 1917/20 with naval markings has a converted holster. Perhaps being naval issued, the holster was also period converted? Brendan

04-09-2008, 04:25 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,926 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Brendan, Looks period to me... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."