Luger with all kinds of proofing

spikedmike · 09-19-2007, 07:48 PM

There is a 1904 American Test Luger on AA. Never seen one like it. They want $3500 for it. Quite high in my estimation. Has anyone seen one like this?? Is it for real??It has all kinds of proofing..
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=8235659

Pete Ebbink · 09-19-2007, 07:51 PM

Imported and proofed in Belgium after some police duty in Germany...nothing rare or special.

Dwight Gruber · 09-19-2007, 08:26 PM

This is a relist from http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=8119033. The first time it was offered I corresponded with the seller and told him what the gun was, what all the marks are, what its realistic value might be. He has apparently chosen to ignore all of it.

The "1904 AE Test Luger" reference above comes fromthe original list. Know that there is no such animal.

--Dwight

burton · 09-20-2007, 03:03 PM

The " Star " over a letter is a standard Belgian proof. Each letter represented a different inspector at the proof facility.

Years ago I bought one of the post W W II West German Border Guard? H-P's, when they were sold as surplus here in the states. Although it had all matching numbers on the 3 main components. Two different inspectors had marked the slide and frame. I thought at the time, that this made it a very rare and unusual. Nobody else was very impressed though.

spikedmike · 09-20-2007, 03:34 PM

Can anyone tell more about the Flaming bomb? What's with the Crab in it?
Thanks guys with all your replies.-Mike-

Ron Wood · 09-20-2007, 04:00 PM

The "crab" is a cursive "L" in an ordnance "bomb" which is the gun proof of Liege, Belgium. It was required on guns of foreign make sold in Belgium after 1924. I do not know if it is still a requirement, or if Belgium now accepts definitive proofs from other EU countries.

Vlim · 09-20-2007, 04:31 PM

Hi,

Belgium only accepts proofs from countries that are part of the CIP, an international treaty between proof houses.

Lugerdoc · 09-21-2007, 12:10 PM

Burton, Several differnt inspector's markings on a gun is not unusual, as they were probably inspecting different areas (tolerances) of the pistol. TH

burton · 09-21-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Lugerdoc
Burton, Several differnt inspector's markings on a gun is not unusual, as they were probably inspecting different areas (tolerances) of the pistol. TH

No offense meant, but to this day I have never run across another ( original, with all numbered parts matching ) Belgian proofed handgun with different inspectors markings on the various parts. The formentioned H P was the only example of this anomaly, I have ever seen. Over the last 35+ years since I had accquired that H P I've had the opportunity to inspect/observe literally hundreds of Belgian proofed handguns.

09-19-2007, 07:48 PM	#1
spikedmike User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Laguna Hills,Ca. Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger with all kinds of proofing There is a 1904 American Test Luger on AA. Never seen one like it. They want $3500 for it. Quite high in my estimation. Has anyone seen one like this?? Is it for real??It has all kinds of proofing.. http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=8235659 __________________ WARNING:Good Guns,Bad Dogs

09-20-2007, 03:03 PM	#4
burton User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central AZ Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The " Star " over a letter is a standard Belgian proof. Each letter represented a different inspector at the proof facility. Years ago I bought one of the post W W II West German Border Guard? H-P's, when they were sold as surplus here in the states. Although it had all matching numbers on the 3 main components. Two different inspectors had marked the slide and frame. I thought at the time, that this made it a very rare and unusual. Nobody else was very impressed though. __________________ RICHARD

09-20-2007, 03:34 PM	#5
spikedmike User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Laguna Hills,Ca. Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can anyone tell more about the Flaming bomb? What's with the Crab in it? Thanks guys with all your replies.-Mike- __________________ WARNING:Good Guns,Bad Dogs

09-20-2007, 04:00 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	The "crab" is a cursive "L" in an ordnance "bomb" which is the gun proof of Liege, Belgium. It was required on guns of foreign make sold in Belgium after 1924. I do not know if it is still a requirement, or if Belgium now accepts definitive proofs from other EU countries. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-21-2007, 12:10 PM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Burton, Several differnt inspector's markings on a gun is not unusual, as they were probably inspecting different areas (tolerances) of the pistol. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-19-2007, 07:51 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Imported and proofed in Belgium after some police duty in Germany...nothing rare or special.

09-19-2007, 08:26 PM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	This is a relist from http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=8119033. The first time it was offered I corresponded with the seller and told him what the gun was, what all the marks are, what its realistic value might be. He has apparently chosen to ignore all of it. The "1904 AE Test Luger" reference above comes fromthe original list. Know that there is no such animal. --Dwight

09-20-2007, 04:31 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Belgium only accepts proofs from countries that are part of the CIP, an international treaty between proof houses.