1934 Luger Holster

vtwoodchuck · 09-06-2007, 09:02 PM

I just picked up a Luger holster with no markings on the outside but inside it is marked CARL HEINICHEN
RESDEN
(eagle over) 1934
Wa
The pull out strap is missing the end, the tool pouch is a little loose, and there is about a 3/4 inch tear on the back of the cover at the hinge. The strange thing is there is a long flap which also closes on the tool pouch stud and it has a tube like pouch below the tool pouch. It looks like for possibibly a cleaning rod. Any info will help. Over all the holster is in very good cond. Thanks. Doug

lugerholsterrepair · 09-07-2007, 11:14 AM

Doug, This seems to be a 1934. These holsters had the long flap on the inside tool pouch to secure a cleaning rod.
There is likely a very large closure stud on the tool pouch.
Also there should be a smalll tube attached on the left inside on the hinge area. This was to secure the rod.
Other than Police conversions the 1934 was the only holster to have these additions to carry a cleaning rod.

Jerry Burney

Leon DeSpain · 09-07-2007, 09:54 PM

Hi Jerry,

You are the holster expert but the 1935 military holsters were made the same way as the 1934s.

Regards, Leon

lugerholsterrepair · 09-07-2007, 11:23 PM

Leon, The 1935 Army's are extremely rare. I have had 3 of them and currently have one in my collection. None of them have been made with the cleaning rod attachment. I have seen a half dozen more than those I have owned and none of them have had this.
There are so few 1935's around that an accurate account of one you might have or have seen with a cleaning rod attachment would be stastiscally unsupportable.
This installation is easily made and perhaps one you may have seen was so converted?
I cannot agree with your supposition. Can you support it with any facts?
Jerry Burney

Leon DeSpain · 09-08-2007, 03:06 PM

Hi Jerry,

I agree that 1935 military holsters are rare. I see a police once in a while but, very rarely, a military.

I certainly haven't seen everything by a long shot but all the 1935 military holsters I have seen (5 or so) all had the cleaning rod sleeve and the flap for the patches. Maybe I have just been lucky but the statement I made was based on my personal observations.

Maybe the early 1935s had the extras and the later ones didn't. If that is the case, I guess I have never seen a late one. Another possiblity is that some holster makers continued the 1934 additions and others didn't.

Here is a link to the 1935 military P.08 holsters that I have. The second has had the flap for the patches removed. Since you have a 1935 military without the extras, then I stand corrected that all 1935s were made like the 1934s.

http://lmd-militaria.com/page0042.html

Regards, Leon

lugerholsterrepair · 09-08-2007, 03:21 PM

Leon, An interesting subject to be sure. As far as 1935 Army holsters go, I don't believe there are a hundred in the World. They are one of the most rare holsters I know of. 1934's are somewhat scarce but prolific compared with 35's.
I cannot see either of the tool pouch studs on the holsters you show on your link. 1934's were quite large and noticeable for their size.
The second holster you show has a Police top flap on it's tool pouch. These were not pointed but blunt in shape compared with the normal run of tool pouch flaps. I suspect your 1935's with the cleaning rod tool conversion could be Police modifications.
Since there is no way to tell, we will never know for sure!
Observations of these very rare holsters are limited by their scarcity.

What is really rare is the original cleaning rod for these. Lots of repro's around but an original is a find to be sure! There is a big difference in the two.

One other thing, Otto Sindel made many Police holsters. The flap shows a fairly large hole in it, I suspect the button is large...

Anyone else out there with a 1935 Army..Not Police, who would like to weigh in?

Thanks Leon, Jerry Burney

vtwoodchuck · 09-08-2007, 04:30 PM

Does anyone have a picture of the original cleaning rod for the 1934 holster? Doug

Leon DeSpain · 09-08-2007, 06:18 PM

Hi Doug,

I believe this is an original.

http://lmd-militaria.com/page0043.html

Regards, Leon

vtwoodchuck · 09-08-2007, 08:56 PM

Hi Leon, Thanks for the photos of the rod. Doug

wlyon · 09-08-2007, 11:57 PM

In my 40 plus years of luger interest I have seen two 1935 military army luger holsters. Neither had the flap. They both had the normal tool pouch. Unfortunately neither was for sale. Bill

lew1 · 09-14-2007, 10:41 PM

I have five 1935 dated Military holsters. Four do not have the 1934 type additions. One does.

Among the five holsters I have, I show 3 different manufacturers.

Luger 1935 Military Black C. Heinchen - DE/WaA142 C. Heinchen/Dresden
Luger 1935 Military Black C. Heinchen - DE/WaA142 C. Heinchen/Dresden
Luger 1935 Military Black C. Heinchen - DE/WaA142 C. Heinchen/Dresden
Luger 1935 Military Black Otto Sindel - DE/WaA94 Otto Sindel/Berlin
Luger 1935 Military Black Auwaerter & Bubech-DE/WaA101 Auwaerter & Bubech/AG/Stuttgart

(I need one more 1935 dated military holster as I have 6 'G' dates. Also need a few tools, and some mags.)

(I have two 1935 dated police holsters, but only one unit marked 'G' date police luger. I guess I need another 'G' date police. The odd thing is that I have seen very few 1935 dated police holsters. I would have guessed that the 1935 dated police holster was rarer than the military.)

lugerholsterrepair · 09-14-2007, 11:00 PM

lew, Good information! On the one that does have the rod holder, does it have the very large closure button on the tool pouch like the 1934?
Thanks, Jerry Burney

lew1 · 09-15-2007, 06:18 AM

I do not know but will check on it.

I keep the all holsters separate becuase of the lack of storage space. The better holsters are kept separately from the others and right now they are in a box behind a lot of other boxes/stuff. (Too many people were going in and out of the house over the last year.)

Leon DeSpain · 09-15-2007, 06:46 PM

Hi charlie,

Is your Otto Sindel the 1935 holster that has the extras?

Thanks, Leon

Leon DeSpain · 09-15-2007, 07:36 PM

Hi Jerry,

You had a question about the closure studs on my 1935 holsters. On my web site I have added a picture of the stud for the first holster. The second holster came with a 2 matching mag G date but the strap for the cleaning supplies was cut and the closure stud was removed. The hole that was left seemed to be large like the stud that was apparently in it.

http://lmd-militaria.com/page0042.html

Regards, Leon

lugerholsterrepair · 09-15-2007, 08:19 PM

Leon, Yup! That looks like the large stud found on most 1934's. Some of these 1935 Army holsters with this rod rig installed may have been a carryover from 1934....Could be a way to distinguish early 1935's!
Thanks for the new photo. Good information coming out here. Jerry Burney

Leon DeSpain · 09-15-2007, 08:53 PM

Hi Jerry,

I agree about good info. Obviously, I had thought all 1935 holsters had the extras because that is all I had ever seen. I am now starting to think the 1935s with the extras may be more rare than the ones without the extras. Maybe some more Forum members will chime in with what they have or have seen.

Regards, Leon

lugerholsterrepair · 09-15-2007, 09:23 PM

Leon, I am sure you are right about this rarity. Not many people have 1935 Army holsters, that's why there is not much information floating around.
Jerry Burney

09-06-2007, 09:02 PM	#1
vtwoodchuck User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Morrisville, Vermont Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	1934 Luger Holster I just picked up a Luger holster with no markings on the outside but inside it is marked CARL HEINICHEN RESDEN (eagle over) 1934 Wa The pull out strap is missing the end, the tool pouch is a little loose, and there is about a 3/4 inch tear on the back of the cover at the hinge. The strange thing is there is a long flap which also closes on the tool pouch stud and it has a tube like pouch below the tool pouch. It looks like for possibibly a cleaning rod. Any info will help. Over all the holster is in very good cond. Thanks. Doug __________________ Doug

09-07-2007, 11:14 AM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Doug, This seems to be a 1934. These holsters had the long flap on the inside tool pouch to secure a cleaning rod. There is likely a very large closure stud on the tool pouch. Also there should be a smalll tube attached on the left inside on the hinge area. This was to secure the rod. Other than Police conversions the 1934 was the only holster to have these additions to carry a cleaning rod. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-07-2007, 11:23 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Leon, The 1935 Army's are extremely rare. I have had 3 of them and currently have one in my collection. None of them have been made with the cleaning rod attachment. I have seen a half dozen more than those I have owned and none of them have had this. There are so few 1935's around that an accurate account of one you might have or have seen with a cleaning rod attachment would be stastiscally unsupportable. This installation is easily made and perhaps one you may have seen was so converted? I cannot agree with your supposition. Can you support it with any facts? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-08-2007, 03:21 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Leon, An interesting subject to be sure. As far as 1935 Army holsters go, I don't believe there are a hundred in the World. They are one of the most rare holsters I know of. 1934's are somewhat scarce but prolific compared with 35's. I cannot see either of the tool pouch studs on the holsters you show on your link. 1934's were quite large and noticeable for their size. The second holster you show has a Police top flap on it's tool pouch. These were not pointed but blunt in shape compared with the normal run of tool pouch flaps. I suspect your 1935's with the cleaning rod tool conversion could be Police modifications. Since there is no way to tell, we will never know for sure! Observations of these very rare holsters are limited by their scarcity. What is really rare is the original cleaning rod for these. Lots of repro's around but an original is a find to be sure! There is a big difference in the two. One other thing, Otto Sindel made many Police holsters. The flap shows a fairly large hole in it, I suspect the button is large... Anyone else out there with a 1935 Army..Not Police, who would like to weigh in? Thanks Leon, Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-08-2007, 04:30 PM	#7
vtwoodchuck User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Morrisville, Vermont Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Does anyone have a picture of the original cleaning rod for the 1934 holster? Doug __________________ Doug

09-07-2007, 09:54 PM	#3
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi Jerry, You are the holster expert but the 1935 military holsters were made the same way as the 1934s. Regards, Leon

09-08-2007, 03:06 PM	#5
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi Jerry, I agree that 1935 military holsters are rare. I see a police once in a while but, very rarely, a military. I certainly haven't seen everything by a long shot but all the 1935 military holsters I have seen (5 or so) all had the cleaning rod sleeve and the flap for the patches. Maybe I have just been lucky but the statement I made was based on my personal observations. Maybe the early 1935s had the extras and the later ones didn't. If that is the case, I guess I have never seen a late one. Another possiblity is that some holster makers continued the 1934 additions and others didn't. Here is a link to the 1935 military P.08 holsters that I have. The second has had the flap for the patches removed. Since you have a 1935 military without the extras, then I stand corrected that all 1935s were made like the 1934s. http://lmd-militaria.com/page0042.html Regards, Leon

09-08-2007, 06:18 PM	#8
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi Doug, I believe this is an original. http://lmd-militaria.com/page0043.html Regards, Leon

09-08-2007, 08:56 PM	#9
vtwoodchuck User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Morrisville, Vermont Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Hi Leon, Thanks for the photos of the rod. Doug __________________ Doug

09-08-2007, 11:57 PM	#10
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,144 Thanked 2,531 Times in 943 Posts	In my 40 plus years of luger interest I have seen two 1935 military army luger holsters. Neither had the flap. They both had the normal tool pouch. Unfortunately neither was for sale. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-14-2007, 10:41 PM	#11
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	I have five 1935 dated Military holsters. Four do not have the 1934 type additions. One does. Among the five holsters I have, I show 3 different manufacturers. Luger 1935 Military Black C. Heinchen - DE/WaA142 C. Heinchen/Dresden Luger 1935 Military Black C. Heinchen - DE/WaA142 C. Heinchen/Dresden Luger 1935 Military Black C. Heinchen - DE/WaA142 C. Heinchen/Dresden Luger 1935 Military Black Otto Sindel - DE/WaA94 Otto Sindel/Berlin Luger 1935 Military Black Auwaerter & Bubech-DE/WaA101 Auwaerter & Bubech/AG/Stuttgart (I need one more 1935 dated military holster as I have 6 'G' dates. Also need a few tools, and some mags.) (I have two 1935 dated police holsters, but only one unit marked 'G' date police luger. I guess I need another 'G' date police. The odd thing is that I have seen very few 1935 dated police holsters. I would have guessed that the 1935 dated police holster was rarer than the military.) __________________ charlie

09-14-2007, 11:00 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	lew, Good information! On the one that does have the rod holder, does it have the very large closure button on the tool pouch like the 1934? Thanks, Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-15-2007, 06:18 AM	#13
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	I do not know but will check on it. I keep the all holsters separate becuase of the lack of storage space. The better holsters are kept separately from the others and right now they are in a box behind a lot of other boxes/stuff. (Too many people were going in and out of the house over the last year.) __________________ charlie

09-15-2007, 06:46 PM	#14
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi charlie, Is your Otto Sindel the 1935 holster that has the extras? Thanks, Leon

09-15-2007, 07:36 PM	#15
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi Jerry, You had a question about the closure studs on my 1935 holsters. On my web site I have added a picture of the stud for the first holster. The second holster came with a 2 matching mag G date but the strap for the cleaning supplies was cut and the closure stud was removed. The hole that was left seemed to be large like the stud that was apparently in it. http://lmd-militaria.com/page0042.html Regards, Leon

09-15-2007, 08:19 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Leon, Yup! That looks like the large stud found on most 1934's. Some of these 1935 Army holsters with this rod rig installed may have been a carryover from 1934....Could be a way to distinguish early 1935's! Thanks for the new photo. Good information coming out here. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-15-2007, 08:53 PM	#17
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi Jerry, I agree about good info. Obviously, I had thought all 1935 holsters had the extras because that is all I had ever seen. I am now starting to think the 1935s with the extras may be more rare than the ones without the extras. Maybe some more Forum members will chime in with what they have or have seen. Regards, Leon

09-15-2007, 09:23 PM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Leon, I am sure you are right about this rarity. Not many people have 1935 Army holsters, that's why there is not much information floating around. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."