Navy Magazine

tom · 09-29-2001, 06:47 AM

I had the great good fortune Thursday to buy a 99.99% 1st Issue Altered Navy. The interesting feature is that the magazine, in addition to being properly serialed to the piece on the wooden base, also has the same property number stamped on its spine.

I have never run into this before and neither had Bob Simpson or Ralph S. who both examined the piece and pronounced it legitimate.

Since the thing was a "walk in", literally brought in by a little old lady and came in a very nice 1904 holster, I have no doubts as to its being bona fide.

Has anyone on the list ever seen such a matching mag/pistol combination?

Tom

Daniel · 09-29-2001, 11:48 AM

I have a 1920/1917 Navy ,barrel cut down to 5 inches,1917 marked sight block mounted on the barrel,crown"M" proofs in all the usual places.Also on the back of the grip strap is stamped "M"over anchor and property number "722 N", the same property number appears on the bottom of the wood base of the mag along with "M"over anchor.Any help?

bill m · 09-29-2001, 01:52 PM

Hi Tom,

Good job on your new toy! I have not seen any Navy magazines with the spine marked, but I'm sure Don Hallock had a couple on his Luger Magazine List with property markings on the base.

I have, and have seen quite a few Weimar Police magazines with the property markings on the spine. Also, some of these police magazines did not have the serial number on the base, but instead had the property number.

Big Norm · 09-29-2001, 08:21 PM

Congradulations on your purchase! I looked at my 1906 1st isuue altered w/matching mag. On the flat part of the tube near the wood bottom, I have the number 5471. On the grip safety, I have the number 1564. On the back strap bellow the grip safety, I have W.K. 1564. None of these numbers are my serial number.

Big Norm

John Sabato · 10-01-2001, 11:10 AM

Where do find little old ladies like that? or perhaps a better question would be how do they find YOU?

-John

tom · 10-02-2001, 07:52 AM

I'd druther be lucky than good any day!

Tom

tom · 10-03-2001, 12:00 PM

Norm,

Your pistol's property number is W.K. (Werft Kiel or Kiel Dockyard) 1564; your magazine came from some pistol with the property number 5471..could be Kiel, Williamshaven, Tinstao, or from one of the mine laying sections (M.A.) or A Sea Battalion (Kaisers marine Corps) S.B. I, II or III,

Or from a Torpedo Division (T.D.I, II, II, IV) or from a U-Boat Division...all of which means that without the first two letters, you can't really tell much except that it is a period magazine.

My pal and fellow forum member Derek Seltzer has a consecutively numbered and property marked pair of '06 Firts issue altered pictured in the owners corner...now thats something to have!

Tom

09-29-2001, 06:47 AM	#1
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Navy Magazine I had the great good fortune Thursday to buy a 99.99% 1st Issue Altered Navy. The interesting feature is that the magazine, in addition to being properly serialed to the piece on the wooden base, also has the same property number stamped on its spine. I have never run into this before and neither had Bob Simpson or Ralph S. who both examined the piece and pronounced it legitimate. Since the thing was a "walk in", literally brought in by a little old lady and came in a very nice 1904 holster, I have no doubts as to its being bona fide. Has anyone on the list ever seen such a matching mag/pistol combination? Tom

09-29-2001, 11:48 AM	#2
Daniel User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ct. and Ma. Posts: 152 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Navy Magazine I have a 1920/1917 Navy ,barrel cut down to 5 inches,1917 marked sight block mounted on the barrel,crown"M" proofs in all the usual places.Also on the back of the grip strap is stamped "M"over anchor and property number "722 N", the same property number appears on the bottom of the wood base of the mag along with "M"over anchor.Any help?

09-29-2001, 01:52 PM	#3
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Navy Magazine Hi Tom, Good job on your new toy! I have not seen any Navy magazines with the spine marked, but I'm sure Don Hallock had a couple on his Luger Magazine List with property markings on the base. I have, and have seen quite a few Weimar Police magazines with the property markings on the spine. Also, some of these police magazines did not have the serial number on the base, but instead had the property number.

09-29-2001, 08:21 PM	#4
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Navy Magazine Congradulations on your purchase! I looked at my 1906 1st isuue altered w/matching mag. On the flat part of the tube near the wood bottom, I have the number 5471. On the grip safety, I have the number 1564. On the back strap bellow the grip safety, I have W.K. 1564. None of these numbers are my serial number. Big Norm

10-01-2001, 11:10 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	What phenomenal good fortune Tom Where do find little old ladies like that? or perhaps a better question would be how do they find YOU? -John

10-02-2001, 07:52 AM	#6
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What phenomenal good fortune Tom I'd druther be lucky than good any day! Tom

10-03-2001, 12:00 PM	#7
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Navy Magazine Norm, Your pistol's property number is W.K. (Werft Kiel or Kiel Dockyard) 1564; your magazine came from some pistol with the property number 5471..could be Kiel, Williamshaven, Tinstao, or from one of the mine laying sections (M.A.) or A Sea Battalion (Kaisers marine Corps) S.B. I, II or III, Or from a Torpedo Division (T.D.I, II, II, IV) or from a U-Boat Division...all of which means that without the first two letters, you can't really tell much except that it is a period magazine. My pal and fellow forum member Derek Seltzer has a consecutively numbered and property marked pair of '06 Firts issue altered pictured in the owners corner...now thats something to have! Tom