Newbie needs ID assistance

naloxone · 04-24-2007, 06:13 PM

Hello,

I've found some great info here!

I'm looking for some ID info on this Luger I've inherited. The pics aren't the best, but hopefully enough to get an idea. The stamp on the extractor looks like it might've been a force-match attempt, but all the other numbers I can find match, as does the magazine, I believe.

Best I've found it was a Schutzpolizei police gun in Dusseldorf, and also did a tour with the Revierhauptmannschaft in Schleswig.

Can any of you gurus tell me anything else about it and what one in this condition would be valued at?

Thank you!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27...one/toggle.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27.../rightside.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/naloxone/mag.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27.../frontgrip.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/naloxone/front.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ne/chamber.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27.../backstrap.jpg

Don M · 04-24-2007, 07:30 PM

Evan,

Welcome to the forum. You have an interesting Luger. It was manufactured by DWM in 1921 in accordance with military specifications just before DWM's production of military Lugers was shut down by the Allies. The front strap markings were, successively, S.D.II.3.72. and S.D.II.1325. As you have deduced these markings are from the Schpo of the DÃ?Â¼sseldorf district, Command II. I believe Command II was located in the twin cities of Elberfeld and Barmen, just east of the city of DÃ?Â¼sseldorf. (It is now called Wuppertal.)

The gun probably was transferred from police service some time before 1934 as it does not have a sear safety. It apparently went to the unit represented on the back strap which I do not believe is police. I think SCH. R.187. represents a Schutztruppe unit but don't know much about these markings. Hopefully, someone else will know.

Ron Smith · 04-25-2007, 09:55 AM

Evan and Don,

I think the SCH. R. is an incomplete and not to regulation marking for Scheissplatz (shooting range), which should be Sch.Pl. The R. probably desinates the town or location.

This is the only plausible translation that I can come up with at the moment. These can be puzzling at times.

Ron

Vlim · 04-26-2007, 10:37 AM

Hi Ron,

I think you meant 'schiessplatz', 'scheissplatz' is ehm, a little rude in German, lol. (sh*thole)

lugerholsterrepair · 04-26-2007, 12:44 PM

Ron, Pretty funny!
I before e except after c...Your offending our German members! You big shooting range ! Jerry Burney

policeluger · 04-26-2007, 01:17 PM

Knowing Ron, he said what he meant..

04-24-2007, 06:13 PM	#1
naloxone New User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Newbie needs ID assistance Hello, I've found some great info here! I'm looking for some ID info on this Luger I've inherited. The pics aren't the best, but hopefully enough to get an idea. The stamp on the extractor looks like it might've been a force-match attempt, but all the other numbers I can find match, as does the magazine, I believe. Best I've found it was a Schutzpolizei police gun in Dusseldorf, and also did a tour with the Revierhauptmannschaft in Schleswig. Can any of you gurus tell me anything else about it and what one in this condition would be valued at? Thank you! http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27...one/toggle.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27.../rightside.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/naloxone/mag.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27.../frontgrip.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/naloxone/front.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ne/chamber.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27.../backstrap.jpg

04-24-2007, 07:30 PM	#2
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Evan, Welcome to the forum. You have an interesting Luger. It was manufactured by DWM in 1921 in accordance with military specifications just before DWM's production of military Lugers was shut down by the Allies. The front strap markings were, successively, S.D.II.3.72. and S.D.II.1325. As you have deduced these markings are from the Schpo of the DÃ?Â¼sseldorf district, Command II. I believe Command II was located in the twin cities of Elberfeld and Barmen, just east of the city of DÃ?Â¼sseldorf. (It is now called Wuppertal.) The gun probably was transferred from police service some time before 1934 as it does not have a sear safety. It apparently went to the unit represented on the back strap which I do not believe is police. I think SCH. R.187. represents a Schutztruppe unit but don't know much about these markings. Hopefully, someone else will know. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

04-25-2007, 09:55 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Evan and Don, I think the SCH. R. is an incomplete and not to regulation marking for Scheissplatz (shooting range), which should be Sch.Pl. The R. probably desinates the town or location. This is the only plausible translation that I can come up with at the moment. These can be puzzling at times. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-26-2007, 12:44 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Ron, Pretty funny! I before e except after c...Your offending our German members! You big shooting range ! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-26-2007, 10:37 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,043 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,930 Times in 1,194 Posts	Hi Ron, I think you meant 'schiessplatz', 'scheissplatz' is ehm, a little rude in German, lol. (sh*thole)

04-26-2007, 01:17 PM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Knowing Ron, he said what he meant..