Serialized toggle pins

wworker · 02-18-2007, 03:15 PM

I thought the toggle pins on earlier Lugers didn't have serial numbers, but here's one in an auction that does.

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7871036[URL=Luger with serialized toggle pin]

Didn't I read somewhere in here that the 2 digit serial numbers on toggle pins were applied in 1932 and beyond?

Edward Tinker · 02-18-2007, 03:40 PM

1934, but if they went to be rearsenalled or back to the factory / and/or the unit armorer applied it, then you find it on guns made prior to 1934.

This is a very buffed and reblued pistol and should be selling for around $600.

Ed

drbuster · 02-18-2007, 04:52 PM

Definitely a restoration/reblue, though nicely done. The restorers forgot to leave the inside of the frame in the white, however!

Dwight Gruber · 02-18-2007, 08:36 PM

Not to take issue with my estimable friend Ed, but...the instruction requiring the number-stamped toggle pin is dated 17 March 1932 (GÃ?Â¶rtz & Bryans, p.131).

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 02-18-2007, 10:24 PM

thanks Dwight, my notes said 1934, I have updated them.

Ed

Lyn Islaub · 02-19-2007, 09:09 PM

I've only seen 3 of these WaA4 proofed Police pistols with the 1920 chamber date and all had a numbered toggle pin. All were of the 'a' suffix which Jan Still suggests is indicative of newly manufactured post WW1 Lugers. I would guess, that as Ed says, the toggle pins were numbered when the sear safeties were installed after 1932. Howard C. likely knows for sure.
Lyn

02-18-2007, 03:15 PM	#1
wworker User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Serialized toggle pins I thought the toggle pins on earlier Lugers didn't have serial numbers, but here's one in an auction that does. http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7871036[URL=Luger with serialized toggle pin] Didn't I read somewhere in here that the 2 digit serial numbers on toggle pins were applied in 1932 and beyond?

02-18-2007, 10:24 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,026 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	thanks Dwight, my notes said 1934, I have updated them. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-18-2007, 03:40 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,026 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	1934, but if they went to be rearsenalled or back to the factory / and/or the unit armorer applied it, then you find it on guns made prior to 1934. This is a very buffed and reblued pistol and should be selling for around $600. Ed

02-18-2007, 04:52 PM	#3
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Definitely a restoration/reblue, though nicely done. The restorers forgot to leave the inside of the frame in the white, however!

02-18-2007, 08:36 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,897 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,291 Times in 426 Posts	Not to take issue with my estimable friend Ed, but...the instruction requiring the number-stamped toggle pin is dated 17 March 1932 (GÃ?Â¶rtz & Bryans, p.131). --Dwight

02-19-2007, 09:09 PM	#6
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	I've only seen 3 of these WaA4 proofed Police pistols with the 1920 chamber date and all had a numbered toggle pin. All were of the 'a' suffix which Jan Still suggests is indicative of newly manufactured post WW1 Lugers. I would guess, that as Ed says, the toggle pins were numbered when the sear safeties were installed after 1932. Howard C. likely knows for sure. Lyn