1940 "S" Luger w/unit markings????

Mike78 · 11-28-2006, 01:45 AM

At a gun shop, I saw a 1940 Luger (date on chamber) with an "S" on the top of the toggle link. There was only an "S," no "S/42" like others which I have seen. It had wooden grips and on the front strap, was stamped "Zw372" on two lines Zw above the 372. the serial number is 8608.

Can anyone tell me more about this luger?

thank you,

Mike

Lugerdoc · 11-28-2006, 10:20 AM

Mike, Sound like the toggle could be from a late Weimar production Simson luger. I'd be surprised if the numbers match the rest of the gun, unless it's a forced matched DDR rework. TH

Ron Smith · 11-28-2006, 10:33 AM

Mike,

Is the Zw over 372 stamped horizontally at the bottom of the grip strap ? If so, it is a Zwickau police mark and would be doubtful if on a 1940 dated pistol.

I am in agreement with Tom that it is most likely a parts gun.

Ron

Mike78 · 11-28-2006, 11:23 PM

Correction: On the toggle is "42" not "S". The Zw..." is horizontal.

Cheers,

Mike

Edward Tinker · 11-28-2006, 11:33 PM

Mike, getting me all excited!

A 42 (mauser) is correct for a 1940, but like Ron said, the unit marking sounds odd?

Ed

Mike78 · 11-29-2006, 01:42 AM

Were 1940 lugers ever unit marked?

Edward Tinker · 11-29-2006, 01:47 AM

no, they quit marking I think prior to 1940. Although, anything is possible. Pictures and EXACTLY what the markings are, to include periods, captital letters, etc could help.

It is possible it is NOT unit marked and/or a marking from the years since WW2...

Ed

PS: found one posting with a ref of ZW

Quote:

There were no cities in Saxony beginning with S that appear to have been large enough for a Schupo unit. Observed abbreviations are L, C, D, M and Zw.

This is a quote from Don Maus on a police gun, may not be germaine to the conversation....

George Anderson · 11-29-2006, 08:51 AM

I would suggest that you check the pistol carefully for matching serial numbered parts and also take note of the proof marks, both type and location.

11-28-2006, 01:45 AM	#1
Mike78 User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1940 "S" Luger w/unit markings???? At a gun shop, I saw a 1940 Luger (date on chamber) with an "S" on the top of the toggle link. There was only an "S," no "S/42" like others which I have seen. It had wooden grips and on the front strap, was stamped "Zw372" on two lines Zw above the 372. the serial number is 8608. Can anyone tell me more about this luger? thank you, Mike

11-28-2006, 10:20 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Mike, Sound like the toggle could be from a late Weimar production Simson luger. I'd be surprised if the numbers match the rest of the gun, unless it's a forced matched DDR rework. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-28-2006, 10:33 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Mike, Is the Zw over 372 stamped horizontally at the bottom of the grip strap ? If so, it is a Zwickau police mark and would be doubtful if on a 1940 dated pistol. I am in agreement with Tom that it is most likely a parts gun. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-28-2006, 11:23 PM	#4
Mike78 User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	correction Correction: On the toggle is "42" not "S". The Zw..." is horizontal. Cheers, Mike

11-28-2006, 11:33 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	Mike, getting me all excited! A 42 (mauser) is correct for a 1940, but like Ron said, the unit marking sounds odd? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-29-2006, 01:42 AM	#6
Mike78 User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	unit markings on 1940 Were 1940 lugers ever unit marked?

11-29-2006, 08:51 AM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	I would suggest that you check the pistol carefully for matching serial numbered parts and also take note of the proof marks, both type and location.