Any Idea?

SteveM · 11-14-2006, 07:32 PM

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=60173408

The front sight has what looks to be a very sharp band indicative,I think, of some K-dates.

Ron Smith · 11-14-2006, 09:59 PM

Steve,

I have been watching this Luger through three cycles of the auction. I have researched it, talked to other collectors, etc. No one knows what it could be. Other than it ain't a lunchbox gun. The frame is , I'm almost certain, a Mauser or possibly a Krieghoff. And I agree, the band has the sharp angle as on early Mausers. The "Lazy N" right side proofs are also odd.

The seller says that it's 9MM. From the angled view of the muzzle in one photo it looks like a .30.

Ron

George Anderson · 11-15-2006, 07:15 AM

The very limited view of the witness mark gives me the impression that the barrel is not original.

c3006 · 11-15-2006, 07:20 AM

I have been watching this pistol also,the grips looked like someone may have resharpened them a little to me and the pin on top of the toggle bothered me as it looks like it is white and mabe sticking up a little.

Ron Smith · 11-15-2006, 09:02 AM

Geo,

You're right. I hadn't looked that closely at the witness mark.

Ron

Vlim · 11-15-2006, 09:24 AM

Hi,

Barrel replacement would be a suitable reason for this gun to get reproofed in Germany, either before 1940 or after 1945 (DDR).

There is a good chance that this pistol started life as a fully unmarked specimen, receiving both a serial number and proofing after a barrel replacement later in life.

John Sabato · 11-15-2006, 01:52 PM

As this photo shows in some detail. The barrel that this gun now wears is slightly past the witness mark on the receiver... so this barrel was either removed and then re-installed and the gunsmith turned the wrench too far, or the barrel is a replacement from another gun. The extractor notch is also off the same amount as the witness mark...

the chamber area is not uniform in its polishing... it appears to have been ground off... and the bevels normally on the sides of the toggle are almost non-existent which implies that the toggle was ground down...

11-14-2006, 07:32 PM	#1
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Any Idea? http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=60173408 The front sight has what looks to be a very sharp band indicative,I think, of some K-dates.

11-14-2006, 09:59 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Steve, I have been watching this Luger through three cycles of the auction. I have researched it, talked to other collectors, etc. No one knows what it could be. Other than it ain't a lunchbox gun. The frame is , I'm almost certain, a Mauser or possibly a Krieghoff. And I agree, the band has the sharp angle as on early Mausers. The "Lazy N" right side proofs are also odd. The seller says that it's 9MM. From the angled view of the muzzle in one photo it looks like a .30. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-15-2006, 07:20 AM	#4
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	I have been watching this pistol also,the grips looked like someone may have resharpened them a little to me and the pin on top of the toggle bothered me as it looks like it is white and mabe sticking up a little. __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

11-15-2006, 09:02 AM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Geo, You're right. I hadn't looked that closely at the witness mark. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-15-2006, 01:52 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	As this photo shows in some detail. The barrel that this gun now wears is slightly past the witness mark on the receiver... so this barrel was either removed and then re-installed and the gunsmith turned the wrench too far, or the barrel is a replacement from another gun. The extractor notch is also off the same amount as the witness mark... the chamber area is not uniform in its polishing... it appears to have been ground off... and the bevels normally on the sides of the toggle are almost non-existent which implies that the toggle was ground down... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-15-2006, 07:15 AM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	The very limited view of the witness mark gives me the impression that the barrel is not original.

11-15-2006, 09:24 AM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Barrel replacement would be a suitable reason for this gun to get reproofed in Germany, either before 1940 or after 1945 (DDR). There is a good chance that this pistol started life as a fully unmarked specimen, receiving both a serial number and proofing after a barrel replacement later in life.