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06-02-2006, 05:54 PM | #1 |
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Simpson 1906 Navy NA-02
The conventional wisdom on Navy Lugers that I have read have always said the crown over M proof stamp should have the crown nestled into the M and not floating above the M. The pictures provided by Simpson shows the crown floating well above the M.
Did I get this all wrong?
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I noticed the same thing Chuck. Doesn't look right to me, but then I am no expert.
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This gun just does not look like it came through Waffenfabrik-USA (North or Southwest or Southeast...)...IMO.
The C/M's seem to be the early variety with the 3-lobes in the center of the crown. If I recall on the informative postings on Jan's Board, the 3-lobe crowns both "float" and are also seated directly on top of the M's. Here is a link to that discussion thread : http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=421 The later crown style with the "pentagon" in the middle of the crown is the one on later M1908 and M1914; that I think are not supposed to "float" above the M's. I could be all wrong...have been before. Especially since I do not even own one (1) Navy. Will wait for the Navy guys to chime-in... p.s. Here is a photo from E. Bender's big book...showing the "pentagon" style stamps with their integral design which results in the crown not-floating above the M's. |
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Tom A..... we are waiting for you or Derek S. or Leo L. to chime in on this one... ???
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Quoted from Jan Still's forum as provided by the link that Pete posted:
"Based on information from Whittaker* and Jones**, 1904 Navies serial numbers 2, 15, 36, 51, 61, 79 and 94 all have the distinctive 3 lobe Navy test proof shown(figures 1-3) above. The crown floats above the â??Mâ?. As documented with photographs by Whittaker on his web site, the use of the three lobe test proof continued on early 1906 Navy Lugers serial numbers 342 and 461. " Since this Navy offered by Simpson is very early, 3XX, and has the distinctive three lobe crown, it is quite possible that the crown floating above the "M" could very well be correct. Lots of variation and inconsistencies when a new model starts production.
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Hi Chuck,
Good to see you on the Forum again...glad your interest in lugers is still there ! Link to Simpsons with all the other photos of this Navy under discussion : http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=4177 |
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The gun is righteous; those are very early proofs. I would not be surprised if this wasn't originally an '04 fat Barrel that was "improved" by the Werft.
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I never meant to question the piece. Simpson's has an unblemished reputation and I was checking out the information I had so far on the navy proof marks. The variations are mind boggling.
I guess you could say something is always like so, EXCEPT when..... My knowledge continues to grow thanks to the forum folks. I guess the information about the proof marks I had was for the later models. One thing is evident, no one will ever own one of each variation. Makes it all the more interesting. Thanks for the welcome back Pete. I am still here but way skeptical and cautious. Would love to have a navy, but that may take a while. When I find one I like, it is likely to require a second mortgage.
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Hi Chuck,
The folks at FGS have posted FS a neat old M1906 Navy, altered. with two (2) unit markings...no one can accuse that Navy of coming through Waffenfabrik-USA If I were not saving for my next Swiss piece, I think this Navy would tempt me. Not minty by any means...but a gun that looks like it had lots of service and history and it appears not to have been in any booster's hands, The gun is on this web page at the bottom of the Navy page : http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/photo5.html |
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