Not Too Often...

Pete Ebbink · 05-05-2006, 02:22 PM

You do not see these for sale too often :

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=4017

the gunman · 05-05-2006, 03:30 PM

Unbeleivable condtion if original finish. I see It's sold

George Anderson · 05-05-2006, 04:40 PM

I had the opportunity to examine that pistol last Sunday.

Dwight Gruber · 05-05-2006, 04:43 PM

George,

Could you please tell us about it?

--Dwight

Ron Wood · 05-05-2006, 04:46 PM

Really hard to find with the original 7.65 barrel. I have one in virtually the same condition but it was rebarreled to 9mm in Bulgaria in 1910 when the Model 1908 Bulgarian became the standard sidearm.

George Anderson · 05-05-2006, 08:19 PM

Dwight, I thought it may have been a restoration piece. He had two '02 fat boys that I thought were 100%.

My evaluations must be viewed in consideration that my knowledge of the early commercials is limited.

Navy · 05-05-2006, 09:40 PM

I saw these guns also. I agree with Geo. Fat guys were *very nice*

Tom A

drbuster · 05-06-2006, 10:12 AM

Looks like a very well done restoration to my humble eye. Note the three linear gouges on the wooden grips that miraculously spared the metal on the adjacent grip strap. But then those Simpson guys are supposed to really know their stuff, so the hefty price tag would seem to support its originality.

Ponyman · 05-15-2006, 07:59 PM

I thought the Bulgarians had the Lanyard Loop at the bottom of the backstrap.....

Dwight Gruber · 05-15-2006, 08:42 PM

Dave,

Thats only the P-08 Bulgarians.

--Dwight

Ponyman · 05-15-2006, 11:15 PM

but then, what do I know?

Thanks for the fill-in, Dwight! I'll get the 1900 AE data to you in a couple of days.

Lugerdoc · 05-16-2006, 11:39 AM

Having sold a couple the 9mm modified M1900 Bulgarians over the years, to a well known Califoria dealer, I have seen them since, restored to minty condition with the proper original 7.65x120mm barrels. Definately an impressive bit of restoration, as the receivers had to have about an eight of an inch of material added to it's front. IMHO, most M1900 Bulgarians are restorations, but when done this well, who cares. TH

drbuster · 05-17-2006, 12:34 AM

Tom, the picture from Simpson's web site shows a short frame. Why would one eighth more metal have to be added to the front of the frame? I could see the necessity of this if you had a model 1900 Bulgarian, but not the 1906 model.

Ron Wood · 05-17-2006, 01:33 AM

Herb,
Tom did say that he sold 1900 Bulgarians, not 1906 as just sold by Simpson, hence his remark about adding metal to the receiver to restore them. This rather bizarre modification of the 1900 Bulgarian to 9mm involved only machining back the receiver...the frame was left intact in the long configuration. An example of a 1900 Bulgarian so modified is illustrated in Walter's "The Luger Book" on page 87. It can be seen clearly that the rear barrel flange sits inside the frame rails! I would love to see one of the restored pieces to see if I could detect the replacement of the metal on the forward part of the receiver.

drbuster · 05-17-2006, 10:08 AM

Thanks, Ron, for the clarification. If I come across any of the restored 1900 Bulgarians, I'll let you know. I think Tom mentioned that he saw this "modification" out here, I wonder if Mike Krause was involved in any way.

Lugerdoc · 05-17-2006, 11:06 AM

Dr.Herb, No comment. TH

05-05-2006, 02:22 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Not Too Often... You do not see these for sale too often : http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=4017

05-05-2006, 04:46 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Really hard to find with the original 7.65 barrel. I have one in virtually the same condition but it was rebarreled to 9mm in Bulgaria in 1910 when the Model 1908 Bulgarian became the standard sidearm. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-15-2006, 07:59 PM	#9
Ponyman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlantic County, NJ, USA Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I thought the Bulgarians had the Lanyard Loop at the bottom of the backstrap..... __________________ "The Constitution is intended for use by a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other." ~ John Quincy Adams

05-15-2006, 11:15 PM	#11
Ponyman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlantic County, NJ, USA Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	but then, what do I know? Thanks for the fill-in, Dwight! I'll get the 1900 AE data to you in a couple of days. __________________ "The Constitution is intended for use by a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other." ~ John Quincy Adams

05-16-2006, 11:39 AM	#12
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Having sold a couple the 9mm modified M1900 Bulgarians over the years, to a well known Califoria dealer, I have seen them since, restored to minty condition with the proper original 7.65x120mm barrels. Definately an impressive bit of restoration, as the receivers had to have about an eight of an inch of material added to it's front. IMHO, most M1900 Bulgarians are restorations, but when done this well, who cares. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-05-2006, 03:30 PM	#2
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Unbeleivable condtion if original finish. I see It's sold

05-05-2006, 04:40 PM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	I had the opportunity to examine that pistol last Sunday.

05-05-2006, 04:43 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	George, Could you please tell us about it? --Dwight

05-05-2006, 08:19 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Dwight, I thought it may have been a restoration piece. He had two '02 fat boys that I thought were 100%. My evaluations must be viewed in consideration that my knowledge of the early commercials is limited.

05-05-2006, 09:40 PM	#7
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	I saw these guns also. I agree with Geo. Fat guys were very nice Tom A

05-06-2006, 10:12 AM	#8
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Looks like a very well done restoration to my humble eye. Note the three linear gouges on the wooden grips that miraculously spared the metal on the adjacent grip strap. But then those Simpson guys are supposed to really know their stuff, so the hefty price tag would seem to support its originality.

05-15-2006, 08:42 PM	#10
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	Dave, Thats only the P-08 Bulgarians. --Dwight

05-17-2006, 12:34 AM	#13
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Tom, the picture from Simpson's web site shows a short frame. Why would one eighth more metal have to be added to the front of the frame? I could see the necessity of this if you had a model 1900 Bulgarian, but not the 1906 model.

05-17-2006, 01:33 AM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Herb, Tom did say that he sold 1900 Bulgarians, not 1906 as just sold by Simpson, hence his remark about adding metal to the receiver to restore them. This rather bizarre modification of the 1900 Bulgarian to 9mm involved only machining back the receiver...the frame was left intact in the long configuration. An example of a 1900 Bulgarian so modified is illustrated in Walter's "The Luger Book" on page 87. It can be seen clearly that the rear barrel flange sits inside the frame rails! I would love to see one of the restored pieces to see if I could detect the replacement of the metal on the forward part of the receiver. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-17-2006, 10:08 AM	#15
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Thanks, Ron, for the clarification. If I come across any of the restored 1900 Bulgarians, I'll let you know. I think Tom mentioned that he saw this "modification" out here, I wonder if Mike Krause was involved in any way.

05-17-2006, 11:06 AM	#16
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Dr.Herb, No comment. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net