7.62x25 luger priced good?

edwood · 01-08-2006, 09:32 AM

I found a luger at a local gun shop, it is in cal 7.62, and is in good shape, the mag is nazi marked. and not correct for the gun I think, the finish is original as far as I can tell, and the numbers match on the big items but some small parts have been replaced. the bore is good. and they are asking 695 for it. I think I may be able to talk them down to 599, any thoughts on a gun like this? btw, no chamber date and toggle is marked dwm.

thegundude · 01-08-2006, 10:28 AM

Good morning Ed.

From what I have seen this gun is priced a tad high. There are some things that go against it's value...

It's mismatched. That (almost always) means shooter value.

It's in 7.62, making it an expensive to shoot, shooter.

If it has a nice blue job - whether original or not - I'd give him $500 bucks for it, maybe $550 if it spoke to me.

Have you checked the auction sites lately? There might be one that you can get for less money, since this isn't an investment piece.

Now, all the information above is purely opinion - and the opinion of a relative novice to boot - and should be taken with one or more grains of salt. Not valid outside the US and Canada, all rights reserved, inspected USDA for brown spots and bad smells.

Ron Smith · 01-08-2006, 10:37 AM

Ed,

Steve is giving good advice. It sounds like a .30 Luger (7.65 Parabellum) commercial. These can be found in all matching decent condition for about what the shop is asking.

7.62 x 25 is .30 Mauser, an all together different cartridge, too long and too powerful for a Luger .

A mismatched commercial would only serve as a shooter. And has no investment value. As well as being expensive to shoot($35.00+ per 50 rds), unless you reload your own ammo.

For another $200 or so, you could find a decent low end collector or a nice 9mm shooter.

Ron

SS109 · 04-06-2006, 06:16 PM

I actually want to convert my 9mm back to its original 7.62.

Edward Tinker · 04-06-2006, 06:35 PM

SS109, your broomhandle?

As Ron said, lugers are either 9mm or 7.65mm. A used 7.65mm would be cheaper than almost any 9mm luger's to buy, and you see barrels for them on e-bay and guns for sale here on the forum.

Ed

Ron Wood · 04-06-2006, 07:13 PM

Mauser is 7.63mm, Luger is 7.65mm...don't know what a 7.62mm is.

Ponyman · 04-06-2006, 07:37 PM

Ammoguide.com lists a "7.62 x 25 Tokarev"

There's a character at GunsAmerica currently offering several Mauser Parabellums in 7.62 Luger. I offered a correction of the error, and he responded with an insult to my intelligence. I decided I don't need to talk to him again.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976709387.htm

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976709381.htm

Edward Tinker · 04-06-2006, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ponyman
Ammoguide.com lists a "7.62 x 25 Tokarev"

they shoot an incredible amount of flame from my CZ-52

John Sabato · 04-06-2006, 11:22 PM

The dealer on Gunsamerica that is at the other end of the two links provided by Ponyman is certainly not knowledgeable about Lugers... Guns to him are a commodity... that is still no excuse for being rude...

SS109 · 04-07-2006, 12:53 AM

Sorry, what I meant to say is that I want to convert my 1923 Luger back to its original 7.65 chambering.

Hugh · 04-07-2006, 02:26 AM

SS109,

I have several excellent original 7.65 bbls and can change out yours if you like. Email me at hhclark@academicplanet.com

Steve Richards · 04-08-2006, 01:25 AM

The 7.65 is a great cartridge to shoot. If you can get either a 4.75 or 6" bbl, I would recomend one of those. I personally like the longer barrels. But, you will either need to find a good source of amunition or load your own. The ammo is hard to find and as noted, quite spendy. I have tried Fiochi and found that it did not cycle the action of any of mine.

I find a 6" in 7.65 a very nice gun to shoot.

Steve Richards

Lugerdoc · 04-08-2006, 10:08 AM

SS109 et al, I have a few original NOS "Germany" marked Navy 7.65x150mm (6") barrels from the 1920s Pacific Arms Corp, available @$200 each + $10 S&H. These are the same exact ones that PAC would install back then upon request, so a righteous conversion for a collector grade gun. GPC has new 6" .30 luger barrels for around half that price for shooters, if you don't mind a barrel where the front sight base and extraction groove, don't line up properly. TH

John Sabato · 04-10-2006, 10:45 PM

Tom, just how much off are those GPC barrels on the front sight base/extractor notch alignment?

Lugerdoc · 04-11-2006, 11:05 AM

John, It seems to vary quite a bit from barrel to barrel. Usually, you can open up the extractor cut enough to compensate. Also plan on having to do a finally chamber ream, as most are short chambered. TH

01-08-2006, 09:32 AM	#1
edwood User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	7.62x25 luger priced good? I found a luger at a local gun shop, it is in cal 7.62, and is in good shape, the mag is nazi marked. and not correct for the gun I think, the finish is original as far as I can tell, and the numbers match on the big items but some small parts have been replaced. the bore is good. and they are asking 695 for it. I think I may be able to talk them down to 599, any thoughts on a gun like this? btw, no chamber date and toggle is marked dwm.

01-08-2006, 10:28 AM	#2
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Good morning Ed. From what I have seen this gun is priced a tad high. There are some things that go against it's value... It's mismatched. That (almost always) means shooter value. It's in 7.62, making it an expensive to shoot, shooter. If it has a nice blue job - whether original or not - I'd give him $500 bucks for it, maybe $550 if it spoke to me. Have you checked the auction sites lately? There might be one that you can get for less money, since this isn't an investment piece. Now, all the information above is purely opinion - and the opinion of a relative novice to boot - and should be taken with one or more grains of salt. Not valid outside the US and Canada, all rights reserved, inspected USDA for brown spots and bad smells. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

01-08-2006, 10:37 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ed, Steve is giving good advice. It sounds like a .30 Luger (7.65 Parabellum) commercial. These can be found in all matching decent condition for about what the shop is asking. 7.62 x 25 is .30 Mauser, an all together different cartridge, too long and too powerful for a Luger . A mismatched commercial would only serve as a shooter. And has no investment value. As well as being expensive to shoot($35.00+ per 50 rds), unless you reload your own ammo. For another $200 or so, you could find a decent low end collector or a nice 9mm shooter. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-06-2006, 06:16 PM	#4
SS109 User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jefferson, CO Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I actually want to convert my 9mm back to its original 7.62. __________________ 1916 LP08 1923 9mm P08 Commercial Import 1920 .30 Luger Commercial

04-06-2006, 06:35 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	SS109, your broomhandle? As Ron said, lugers are either 9mm or 7.65mm. A used 7.65mm would be cheaper than almost any 9mm luger's to buy, and you see barrels for them on e-bay and guns for sale here on the forum. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-06-2006, 07:13 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Mauser is 7.63mm, Luger is 7.65mm...don't know what a 7.62mm is. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-06-2006, 07:37 PM	#7
Ponyman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlantic County, NJ, USA Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ammoguide.com lists a "7.62 x 25 Tokarev" There's a character at GunsAmerica currently offering several Mauser Parabellums in 7.62 Luger. I offered a correction of the error, and he responded with an insult to my intelligence. I decided I don't need to talk to him again. http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976709387.htm http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976709381.htm __________________ "The Constitution is intended for use by a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other." ~ John Quincy Adams

04-06-2006, 11:22 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	The dealer on Gunsamerica that is at the other end of the two links provided by Ponyman is certainly not knowledgeable about Lugers... Guns to him are a commodity... that is still no excuse for being rude... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-07-2006, 12:53 AM	#10
SS109 User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jefferson, CO Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry, what I meant to say is that I want to convert my 1923 Luger back to its original 7.65 chambering. __________________ 1916 LP08 1923 9mm P08 Commercial Import 1920 .30 Luger Commercial

04-07-2006, 02:26 AM	#11
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	SS109, I have several excellent original 7.65 bbls and can change out yours if you like. Email me at hhclark@academicplanet.com __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

04-08-2006, 01:25 AM	#12
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The 7.65 is a great cartridge to shoot. If you can get either a 4.75 or 6" bbl, I would recomend one of those. I personally like the longer barrels. But, you will either need to find a good source of amunition or load your own. The ammo is hard to find and as noted, quite spendy. I have tried Fiochi and found that it did not cycle the action of any of mine. I find a 6" in 7.65 a very nice gun to shoot. Steve Richards

04-08-2006, 10:08 AM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	SS109 et al, I have a few original NOS "Germany" marked Navy 7.65x150mm (6") barrels from the 1920s Pacific Arms Corp, available @$200 each + $10 S&H. These are the same exact ones that PAC would install back then upon request, so a righteous conversion for a collector grade gun. GPC has new 6" .30 luger barrels for around half that price for shooters, if you don't mind a barrel where the front sight base and extraction groove, don't line up properly. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-10-2006, 10:45 PM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Tom, just how much off are those GPC barrels on the front sight base/extractor notch alignment? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-11-2006, 11:05 AM	#15
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	John, It seems to vary quite a bit from barrel to barrel. Usually, you can open up the extractor cut enough to compensate. Also plan on having to do a finally chamber ream, as most are short chambered. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net