Potential Fraud-Ideal Stock and Grips on Ebay - Page 2

John Sabato · 03-02-2006, 05:43 PM

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Pete Ebbink · 03-03-2006, 10:55 PM

Here is the Guns America ad from FGS that this crook took the photo from for their scam...

http://216.219.244.51/guns/976570719.htm

lew1 · 03-04-2006, 07:51 AM

I see that Ebay has not yet pulled the auction. You would think that they would be more careful - expecially after getting sued over permitting the sale of knockoffs on Ebay.

I see also that there is a new high bidder in the auction.

stefanosg · 03-04-2006, 08:10 AM

Wasn't the price much higher? I would have sworn they had it ovger 1000 dollars. Now its only at 202.

lew1 · 03-04-2006, 02:09 PM

The bidding history does not show any retracted bids.

Pete Ebbink · 03-04-2006, 02:15 PM

I sent e-Bay a note as well as the current high bidder "oeash"...whom I met in person at the SOS show.

olivier5848 · 03-04-2006, 02:59 PM

Hello to all
As I have say I have contact the seller and ask more pic. Here he's answer:
"Hallo,
alle verfÃ?Â¼gbaren Photos sind in der Auktion aufgefÃ?Â¼hrt

Marie"
Translation: all the pic I have are in the auction Marie
We can see he have change his name since lu1900 (Patrice) has write him, before it was "Martin" and yet "Marie"... curious?!?!

Then I have say him: I travel in all Germany and if I he can give me his adress or give me a meeting point.

Since no answer.

I my opinion: fraud.

Best regards

Olivier

Dwight Gruber · 03-04-2006, 06:48 PM

I wonder if ebay's lack of action is due to the the "unofficial" nature of the notice? It may be that they will only take action if FGS notifys them...

--Dwight

Big Norm · 03-04-2006, 09:36 PM

AH-H-H!! The beauty of this forum brilliantly shines again.
Big Norm

John Sabato · 03-06-2006, 07:34 AM

I also contacted oeash via ebay... and warned him.

Mike B · 03-06-2006, 07:50 AM

If you go to the closed auction you will see that "wirstmichvermissen" the seller is No longer a registered user.
Mike

John Sabato · 03-06-2006, 07:53 AM

Nice detective work Mike...

We can chalk up another world-wide fraud prevented due to the membership here... We are the eyes and ears of the legal Luger collecting community.

hqbmw · 03-07-2006, 01:16 AM

I sent a donation to John Dunkle of the Forum on Dec 14, 2005. Is there a certain amount one must donate to become a Patron?

Jack Hiles
Mesa AZ

John Sabato · 03-07-2006, 03:22 PM

Jack, please contact John D. directly by private message. Let him know how you sent the donation. If it was by mail, it may not have been received. If by paypal, you will have a transaction number you can reference. ...and the answer is no, there is no certain amount... just what your heart tells you is right. It may be that John D. somehow overlooked the donation... I am sure it is just an oversight... Thanks for your support.

03-02-2006, 05:43 PM	#21
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03-04-2006, 07:51 AM	#23
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	I see that Ebay has not yet pulled the auction. You would think that they would be more careful - expecially after getting sued over permitting the sale of knockoffs on Ebay. I see also that there is a new high bidder in the auction. __________________ charlie

03-04-2006, 02:09 PM	#25
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	The bidding history does not show any retracted bids. __________________ charlie

03-06-2006, 07:34 AM	#30
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I also contacted oeash via ebay... and warned him. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-06-2006, 07:53 AM	#32
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Nice detective work Mike... We can chalk up another world-wide fraud prevented due to the membership here... We are the eyes and ears of the legal Luger collecting community. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-03-2006, 10:55 PM	#22
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here is the Guns America ad from FGS that this crook took the photo from for their scam... http://216.219.244.51/guns/976570719.htm

03-04-2006, 08:10 AM	#24
stefanosg User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East Central Florida Posts: 367 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Wasn't the price much higher? I would have sworn they had it ovger 1000 dollars. Now its only at 202.

03-04-2006, 02:15 PM	#26
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I sent e-Bay a note as well as the current high bidder "oeash"...whom I met in person at the SOS show.

03-04-2006, 02:59 PM	#27
olivier5848 User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: France Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello to all As I have say I have contact the seller and ask more pic. Here he's answer: "Hallo, alle verfÃ?Â¼gbaren Photos sind in der Auktion aufgefÃ?Â¼hrt Marie" Translation: all the pic I have are in the auction Marie We can see he have change his name since lu1900 (Patrice) has write him, before it was "Martin" and yet "Marie"... curious?!?! Then I have say him: I travel in all Germany and if I he can give me his adress or give me a meeting point. Since no answer. I my opinion: fraud. Best regards Olivier

03-04-2006, 06:48 PM	#28
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	I wonder if ebay's lack of action is due to the the "unofficial" nature of the notice? It may be that they will only take action if FGS notifys them... --Dwight

03-04-2006, 09:36 PM	#29
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	AH-H-H!! The beauty of this forum brilliantly shines again. Big Norm

03-06-2006, 07:50 AM	#31
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	If you go to the closed auction you will see that "wirstmichvermissen" the seller is No longer a registered user. Mike

03-07-2006, 01:16 AM	#33
hqbmw User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Patron I sent a donation to John Dunkle of the Forum on Dec 14, 2005. Is there a certain amount one must donate to become a Patron? Jack Hiles Mesa AZ

03-07-2006, 03:22 PM	#34
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Jack, please contact John D. directly by private message. Let him know how you sent the donation. If it was by mail, it may not have been received. If by paypal, you will have a transaction number you can reference. ...and the answer is no, there is no certain amount... just what your heart tells you is right. It may be that John D. somehow overlooked the donation... I am sure it is just an oversight... Thanks for your support. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*