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This is a muzzle protector I picked up some time ago. It is WaA stamped with the eagle and swastika. Apparently it was only used by the Police to protect the muzzle from the cleaning rod. But then, why was it WaA stamped? Patrick
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04-06-2001, 09:24 AM | #2 |
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Interesting photo Patrick.
Can I presume that th smaller round end fits tightly in the muzzle? Why do you suppose there is a flat ground over the knurled section?
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Muzzle Protector
John: it fits over the front sight with a spring-loaded bayonet attachment. Would anyone go to all that trouble just to prevent the muzzle from wearing due to use of the cleaning rod? It must have been used for something else as well. The picture was taken directly from the parts on the scanner. Patrick
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Re: Muzzle Protector
Kyrie has told me that some of the other muzzle protectors (I thought that was what they were) were part of a sub caliber arrangement for practicing! Dont have a clue if that is what you have! Maybe he will post soon! Ted
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I have never tried to scan hard objects, but your post looks good
Why don't you try it with your new Baby? If it captures as much detail as the muzzle protector, it should be a great macro image!
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04-06-2001, 12:56 PM | #6 |
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Re: Muzzle Protector
Could this possibly be an adapter for a suppressor? Just my guess.
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I have seen pictures of suppressors that attached in a similar manner
to Lugers and P-38s But I think this is muzzle protector as Patrick suggests.
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I think that...
Patrick is correct - there is a picture in one of my books and it shows this as a cleaning rod guide. I'll try to find it later tonight and post back.. Ted, on the 4mm Swiss conversion - there is an attachment that attaches in a similiar manner, but it is not spring loaded. Rather, I believe that attachment "clips" to the front sight mount..
Finally - no - it is not a suppressor mount of any sort. All the noise suppressors ("silencers") whether the .30 or the 9MM (made in 1928, 1929 and 1930) screwed onto the end of the barrel (the sight barrel band "unscrews" to allow these silencers to attach)... |
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Bender says it is a cleaning rod guide. Maybe the German police had shaky hands. Patrick
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Don't forget that the Police...
back then, apparently also had a rather dangerous habit of forgetting that the Luger was LOADED when they went to disassemble it - hence the sear safeties for Police Issued Lugers
Forgetfulness - now coupled with your comment of "shaky hands" - does not paint a great image of what the Police forces were like back then... |
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Re: Muzzle Bush..
There is a picture of this device in John Walter's book "The Luger Pistol" on page 270. Its identified as "a muzzle bush used to prevent the metal shaft of the cleaning rod from wearing the rifling at the muzzle".
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That's the book & picture! THANKS!!! (EOM)
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Oh - I forgot this suppressor....
There was a .22 suppressor attached to an ERMA conversion. That suppressor attached to the protrusion of the conversion barrel where the second knurled nut was fitted. I also believe it was a Krieghoff setup and was brought back into the USA after the war. Subsequently, that silencer was cut in half by BATF.
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Re: Bender
Ask the Soviets, they killed 75% of 'em.
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04-11-2001, 12:56 AM | #15 |
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Trivia-muzzel protector
These items were used as muzzle protectors to save the lands and groves in the crown from wear from cleaning; the same device was the integral part of the Goman patent 4mm sub caliber device used by the Prussian police in the late 1920s and early 1930s. It is a question of which came first, the muzzle protector or the sub-caliber device. The first sub-caliber devices used by the Prussian police fastened over the sight block similar like some of the Swiss devices, but this was an unstable method and a more secure fastening was sought. The Goman device was succeded by an Erma method which had a similar conical muzzle anchor but which was tightened by threads over the sight block rather than using the spring loaded locking system. There was an excellent article in DWJ some years ago on these devices.
Why would there be a WaA on such a device? These subcaliber muzzle devices are quite simple to duplicate by a qualified machinist and have been in Germany some years ago. Odd markings and pristine condition are a give-away. I purchased one from a collector who had picked it up in Germany. The supposed Prussian police markings had been engraved on the flat face of the conical base, which was intended for markings. So beware. |
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Re: Trivia-muzzel protector
Now I feel better, I thought i was the only one that thought it MIGHT be a protector! Kyrie told me this on another one similar and I listen to him! He is smart! Ted
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Re: Trivia-muzzel protector
I meant sub caliber part, I am sleepy, going to bed now!
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Re: Muzzle Protector
this is a part of 4,2mm inside barrel.
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