Luger wood stock/holster

Roadster 02 · 05-18-2019, 06:05 PM

I have a chance to buy one of the Wood "Stoeger" Luger holster stocks. This is the one that looks like a C96 Broomhandle stock but has the Luger mounting parts. The gun fits inside the stock by opening a hinged end, and the bottom of the butt sticks out when the Luger is inside. Price is $150. Is this worth acquiring? Thanks.

sheepherder · 05-18-2019, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadster 02

I have a chance to buy one of the Wood "Stoeger" Luger holster stocks. This is the one that looks like a C96 Broomhandle stock but has the Luger mounting parts. The gun fits inside the stock by opening a hinged end, and the bottom of the butt sticks out when the Luger is inside. Price is $150. Is this worth acquiring? Thanks.

You bet!

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DavidJayUden · 05-18-2019, 07:57 PM

Do those stock/holsters get the same "OK" from the BATF?
dju

Roadster 02 · 05-18-2019, 09:31 PM

I'll do it if I get it. Thanks for the answer.

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

You bet!

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DonVoigt · 05-18-2019, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Do those stock/holsters get the same "OK" from the BATF?
dju

No.
They might if someone went to the trouble to document use and history and ask- but I'm not sure the "history"of their use is there.

k98mike · 05-19-2019, 09:31 AM

I believe they are documented in the book series "The Borchardt and Luger Automatic Pistols" by Gortz/Sturgess. Page 1418.

sheepherder · 05-19-2019, 10:19 AM

I would accept that this meets the intent of the BATF letter, but only for the artillery, as shown in TBLAP.

DonVoigt · 05-19-2019, 10:49 AM

I agree that "we" all would probably agree, accept, or guess that they are ok; BUT, the ATF letters and statements(I have read)-
all refer to "board" stocks.

Chances of any problem are slim, but one cannot point to chapter and verse written by the ATF that it is "OK".

Someone who has a "mauser type" stock for a luger, could go to the trouble to request a determination from the ATF Technical Division for that type stock and do us all a favor.

I personally do not have one, and don't believe they passed beyond the prototype/test stage for the military; as noted in Pistole Parabellum. The Geco ad demonstrates commercial sale of a similar "case holster", and of course they are being sold today out of Europe- where the regulations are quite different.

Shoulder stock for lugers, FN/Inglis HPs, or Broomhandles are no doubt low on any LE list; so unless one is doing something else wrong- or has 1000 guns that the neighbors find incredible- ilke the guy in California, you're probably safe! JMHO.

cirelaw · 05-19-2019, 05:30 PM

Your basic stocks~Imperial and Weimar~

hayhugh · 05-19-2019, 06:56 PM

What is the difference between the two, Imperial and Weimar holsters, if any?

DonVoigt · 05-19-2019, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hayhugh

What is the difference between the two, Imperial and Weimar holsters, if any?

The holsters that fit the stock harness are the same, made and dated from around 1914 to 1918.

Some/many/most Weimar holsters were converted for belt carry and did not use the stock harness block, but had belt loops added.

The stock wood itself was supposed to be marked with the "1920" property stamp like the pistols were. "1920" marked stocks are scarce.

Diver6106 · 06-01-2019, 01:58 PM

Also the shoulder stock holsters can be from another gun and modified by changing out the attachment hardware. I have an early Browning Hi Power with the tangent sight and slot for stock. They were originally used with the board stock with leather holster attached. Then Canada and China made the broader wooden stock with holster cut inside, like Broom Handles. But it will also fit in a Russian Stechkin stock, but the attachment point must be switched to the Hi Power design. While the pistol is a classic, I'm not sure it can be used with any stock but the original. And the Canadian Ingeles must be used with a Canadian manuf. stock - not the Chinese. So BATF's listings are not clear - but don't get caught in a mistake.

05-18-2019, 06:05 PM	#1
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 321 Thanks: 182 Thanked 268 Times in 92 Posts	Luger wood stock/holster I have a chance to buy one of the Wood "Stoeger" Luger holster stocks. This is the one that looks like a C96 Broomhandle stock but has the Luger mounting parts. The gun fits inside the stock by opening a hinged end, and the bottom of the butt sticks out when the Luger is inside. Price is $150. Is this worth acquiring? Thanks.

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k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	History I believe they are documented in the book series "The Borchardt and Luger Automatic Pistols" by Gortz/Sturgess. Page 1418.

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	I agree that "we" all would probably agree, accept, or guess that they are ok; BUT, the ATF letters and statements(I have read)- all refer to "board" stocks. Chances of any problem are slim, but one cannot point to chapter and verse written by the ATF that it is "OK". Someone who has a "mauser type" stock for a luger, could go to the trouble to request a determination from the ATF Technical Division for that type stock and do us all a favor. I personally do not have one, and don't believe they passed beyond the prototype/test stage for the military; as noted in Pistole Parabellum. The Geco ad demonstrates commercial sale of a similar "case holster", and of course they are being sold today out of Europe- where the regulations are quite different. Shoulder stock for lugers, FN/Inglis HPs, or Broomhandles are no doubt low on any LE list; so unless one is doing something else wrong- or has 1000 guns that the neighbors find incredible- ilke the guy in California, you're probably safe! JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Do those stock/holsters get the same "OK" from the BATF? dju

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Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 246 Thanks: 1,436 Thanked 119 Times in 76 Posts	Also the shoulder stock holsters can be from another gun and modified by changing out the attachment hardware. I have an early Browning Hi Power with the tangent sight and slot for stock. They were originally used with the board stock with leather holster attached. Then Canada and China made the broader wooden stock with holster cut inside, like Broom Handles. But it will also fit in a Russian Stechkin stock, but the attachment point must be switched to the Hi Power design. While the pistol is a classic, I'm not sure it can be used with any stock but the original. And the Canadian Ingeles must be used with a Canadian manuf. stock - not the Chinese. So BATF's listings are not clear - but don't get caught in a mistake.