Question about shipping

Jasta2 · 12-25-2015, 11:04 AM

I know this is not the correct forum, but I sold my Lugers with this forums help. Puzzled about shipping. In the past I would ship the firearm from my dealer to the buyers dealer providing the buyer sent a signed ffl copy of the buyers dealer. That is dealer to dealer. I am now in Florida, has the rules changed? Checking with two local dealers I was told I could ship the Lugers directly myself. just include the signed copy of the buyers signed FFL and a copy of my drivers license in the box. One dealer implied I could ship it directly to the buyer, the other said I should ship s it to the buyers dealer. MMM??? Some does not seem correct here. Funny thing, when I had Thor restore my AE, it was OK for me to ship it directly to him, and Thor directly to me, no FFL requires. Please inform me of the proper way to ship. Please move this to the correct forum if needed.
Regards, Bill
MERRY CHRISTMAS

Edward Tinker · 12-25-2015, 11:39 AM

Bill, depends on state, but most places I have lived, I have, never ever shipped through a dealer. No need to, the receiving person is the one who has to have an FFL unless that dealer insists on it coming from an FFL. You get the FFL and you ship to them. With a c&r we ship direct to each other, a dealer never sees us.

In that same vein, I was talking to a local guy, he'd lived in Pennsylvania all his life, and I made the comment that if I was in Oklahoma I could buy a pistol straight from a seller. No dealer involved. He said I was wrong and I told him that he was thinking like an easterner, as many states allow direct sales of used guns to each other. Florida is one of those states...

Also, if you ship a firearm to a gunsmith or manufacture, then you can receive it directly back, no FFL involved. See BATF regs, but I know I am correct...

mrerick · 12-25-2015, 11:50 AM

If it goes between states, it has to go via a FFL (through 01 dealer or direct to 03 C&R). Some states have special rules for handguns. As seller doing the shipping, you have obligation to learn and observe the state's laws - but so does the buyer.

if you have any concern about the risk of sending it to someone you haven't dealt with before that might turn out to be prohibited, doing it through a 01 dealer ensures a background check is done when it's picked up and transferred off the 01's books.

Transfer via 01 dealers (often $15-$30) can save you more than the cost of the transfer paperwork since they can use USPS Priority Mail and avoid overnight express shipment through Fedex or UPS (which can run $100).

Some 01 Dealers will not accept shipments from a private individual (or 03 C&R licensee, for that matter). That is their choice.

Even on shipments within a single state, there may be laws that have to be observed. Within NC, you have to provide a Pistol Purchase permit (surrender it to the seller) or show a Concealed Carry Handgun permit (as seller, I keep a photocopy). Other states have a variety of laws.

Marc

DonVoigt · 12-25-2015, 12:47 PM

What mrerick said,
you can ship direct to a dealer, but the shipping costs more.
Use of your friendly local dealer is usually cheaper by a bunch.

If you do ship direct to an ffl, you need to include a copy of your id with address for their records.

Jasta2 · 12-25-2015, 12:49 PM

Thanks to all. I trust this forum members completely, so I will ship directly to the buyer if their state permits it.
Regards, Bill

alvin · 12-25-2015, 02:29 PM

Shipping to C&R address has an advantage -- it's usually a residence address.

Those dealers, very few of them know taking a neutral business name, this Gun Shop, that Sportmen's Supply, etc, so carriers would require you to ship overnight priority, which costs a lot.

You have two choices: do that and ask buyer to pay the actual shipping. Or, going through a dealer to ship via USPS. If that cost a lot, talk to the buyer.

Pistole+Parabellum · 12-25-2015, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasta2

Thanks to all. I trust this forum members completely, so I will ship directly to the buyer if their state permits it.
Regards, Bill

Correct!!

but make sure their license is current & not expired

12-25-2015, 11:04 AM	#1
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Question about shipping I know this is not the correct forum, but I sold my Lugers with this forums help. Puzzled about shipping. In the past I would ship the firearm from my dealer to the buyers dealer providing the buyer sent a signed ffl copy of the buyers dealer. That is dealer to dealer. I am now in Florida, has the rules changed? Checking with two local dealers I was told I could ship the Lugers directly myself. just include the signed copy of the buyers signed FFL and a copy of my drivers license in the box. One dealer implied I could ship it directly to the buyer, the other said I should ship s it to the buyers dealer. MMM??? Some does not seem correct here. Funny thing, when I had Thor restore my AE, it was OK for me to ship it directly to him, and Thor directly to me, no FFL requires. Please inform me of the proper way to ship. Please move this to the correct forum if needed. Regards, Bill MERRY CHRISTMAS

12-25-2015, 11:39 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Bill, depends on state, but most places I have lived, I have, never ever shipped through a dealer. No need to, the receiving person is the one who has to have an FFL unless that dealer insists on it coming from an FFL. You get the FFL and you ship to them. With a c&r we ship direct to each other, a dealer never sees us. In that same vein, I was talking to a local guy, he'd lived in Pennsylvania all his life, and I made the comment that if I was in Oklahoma I could buy a pistol straight from a seller. No dealer involved. He said I was wrong and I told him that he was thinking like an easterner, as many states allow direct sales of used guns to each other. Florida is one of those states... Also, if you ship a firearm to a gunsmith or manufacture, then you can receive it directly back, no FFL involved. See BATF regs, but I know I am correct... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-25-2015, 11:50 AM	#3
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	If it goes between states, it has to go via a FFL (through 01 dealer or direct to 03 C&R). Some states have special rules for handguns. As seller doing the shipping, you have obligation to learn and observe the state's laws - but so does the buyer. if you have any concern about the risk of sending it to someone you haven't dealt with before that might turn out to be prohibited, doing it through a 01 dealer ensures a background check is done when it's picked up and transferred off the 01's books. Transfer via 01 dealers (often $15-$30) can save you more than the cost of the transfer paperwork since they can use USPS Priority Mail and avoid overnight express shipment through Fedex or UPS (which can run $100). Some 01 Dealers will not accept shipments from a private individual (or 03 C&R licensee, for that matter). That is their choice. Even on shipments within a single state, there may be laws that have to be observed. Within NC, you have to provide a Pistol Purchase permit (surrender it to the seller) or show a Concealed Carry Handgun permit (as seller, I keep a photocopy). Other states have a variety of laws. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

12-25-2015, 12:47 PM	#4
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	What mrerick said, you can ship direct to a dealer, but the shipping costs more. Use of your friendly local dealer is usually cheaper by a bunch. If you do ship direct to an ffl, you need to include a copy of your id with address for their records. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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12-25-2015, 12:49 PM	#5
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Thanks to all. I trust this forum members completely, so I will ship directly to the buyer if their state permits it. Regards, Bill

12-25-2015, 02:29 PM	#6
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Shipping to C&R address has an advantage -- it's usually a residence address. Those dealers, very few of them know taking a neutral business name, this Gun Shop, that Sportmen's Supply, etc, so carriers would require you to ship overnight priority, which costs a lot. You have two choices: do that and ask buyer to pay the actual shipping. Or, going through a dealer to ship via USPS. If that cost a lot, talk to the buyer.