New guy here with a couple questions about 1912 DWM

earthquake · 02-19-2014, 03:25 AM

New guy here.
Hi, my name is Casey and I live in Las Vegas NV, I have a couple of questions about a Luger I bought for my Brother years ago when I had my FFL. I looked for the forum rules and could not find them so I hope I am not breaking any rules with one of my questions.
I do not know a lot about Luger's and was wondering if this is any thing special, It is marked 1912 and manufactured by DMW, it has a over stamp on the barrel ring if that's what its called, on the right side next to what I am going to call proof marks looks like a importer mark. one mark I did not get a picture of is on the bottom of the barrel what looks like a a Crown over a letter "N". I do not think the grips are original to the gun because they fit very sloppy, It has some pitting but its not too severe.
The bore is a little dirty and the rifling strong, there may be a little pitting on the top of the lands but it may just need a good scrubbing. The slots for the stock has a little pitting but its not bad, did all Luger's come with a shoulder stock lug? most of the parts I can see are stamped with a #35 but I do not know if they are original or if they were stamp afterwards.
If its ok with forum rules can some body give me a basic idea what its worth, I am thinking about selling it or trading it, its not the kind of handgun I collect, I am a big bore revolver or 1911 guy.
Thanks for any help!

Casey

earthquake · 02-19-2014, 03:36 AM

I forget to add its chambered for 9mm
Here's a few more pictures...

alanint · 02-19-2014, 05:15 AM

You have a Russian Capture/East German "VoPo", (Volks Polizei) issue pistol that started life out as a DWM 1912 military pistol. It has a replaced commercial barrel and several parts that have been renumbered to match the overall pistol. Collectors call this a "Force Matched" pistol. Several Imperial German proofs have been obliterated in the process as well. The magazine is of East German manufacture and is numbered to the gun. The "1" indicates the primary magazine. The spare would have the same serial number but with a "2" in place of the "1".
The sideplate is of modern, (possibly East German) manufacture and not original Imperial manufacture. The grips are also replacements following an early Swiss pattern.

It is import marked into the US. (E.C.C.S.A.?)

Most collectors would consider this a "shooter" valued at $600-$700, but these East German pistols are starting to have a following among history buffs who see them as a legitimate collecting nitch.

sheepherder · 02-19-2014, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

It is import marked into the US. (E.C.C.S.A.?)

Most collectors would consider this a "shooter" valued at $600-$700, but these East German pistols are starting to have a following among history buffs who see them as a legitimate collecting nitch.

Yep, Cross Roads Gun Shop, Pennsauken NJ. Seems to be more than a few of these turning up here lately.

Really hard to tell from web pics (which magnify flaws) but in my area this would fetch ~$800 and probably a hundred or two more...Lugers are scarce here...

One unintended consequence that our Governor has made is to increase demand for handguns with less than 10 rounds capacity...

LU1900 · 02-19-2014, 07:35 PM

Frame is WWII , from Mauser factory too

02-19-2014, 03:25 AM	#1
earthquake New User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Las Vegas, NV. Posts: 2 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New guy here with a couple questions about 1912 DWM New guy here. Hi, my name is Casey and I live in Las Vegas NV, I have a couple of questions about a Luger I bought for my Brother years ago when I had my FFL. I looked for the forum rules and could not find them so I hope I am not breaking any rules with one of my questions. I do not know a lot about Luger's and was wondering if this is any thing special, It is marked 1912 and manufactured by DMW, it has a over stamp on the barrel ring if that's what its called, on the right side next to what I am going to call proof marks looks like a importer mark. one mark I did not get a picture of is on the bottom of the barrel what looks like a a Crown over a letter "N". I do not think the grips are original to the gun because they fit very sloppy, It has some pitting but its not too severe. The bore is a little dirty and the rifling strong, there may be a little pitting on the top of the lands but it may just need a good scrubbing. The slots for the stock has a little pitting but its not bad, did all Luger's come with a shoulder stock lug? most of the parts I can see are stamped with a #35 but I do not know if they are original or if they were stamp afterwards. If its ok with forum rules can some body give me a basic idea what its worth, I am thinking about selling it or trading it, its not the kind of handgun I collect, I am a big bore revolver or 1911 guy. Thanks for any help! Casey Attached Thumbnails

02-19-2014, 03:36 AM	#2
earthquake New User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Las Vegas, NV. Posts: 2 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I forget to add its chambered for 9mm Here's a few more pictures... Attached Thumbnails

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02-19-2014, 05:15 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	You have a Russian Capture/East German "VoPo", (Volks Polizei) issue pistol that started life out as a DWM 1912 military pistol. It has a replaced commercial barrel and several parts that have been renumbered to match the overall pistol. Collectors call this a "Force Matched" pistol. Several Imperial German proofs have been obliterated in the process as well. The magazine is of East German manufacture and is numbered to the gun. The "1" indicates the primary magazine. The spare would have the same serial number but with a "2" in place of the "1". The sideplate is of modern, (possibly East German) manufacture and not original Imperial manufacture. The grips are also replacements following an early Swiss pattern. It is import marked into the US. (E.C.C.S.A.?) Most collectors would consider this a "shooter" valued at $600-$700, but these East German pistols are starting to have a following among history buffs who see them as a legitimate collecting nitch.