Machine Pistol 9mm ammo

[Heinz]

I thought when this thread was running a couple of weeks back I had one of these rounds in my ammo collection. Mine is very dark finished, almost black. The bullet color has some copper tint to it, the case is slightly greenish. The bullet and case are both magnetic. The cartridge is headstamped 43 dou St* 7


I got this cartridge from a serious and knowledgable WWII military long arms collector around 1966. He said it was German machine pistol ammo.


Thats all I know and I don't know a lot more.

Just for the Info, I have a box which has the head stamp

of: 44 dnh St+ 10. Got them with a bring back Luger (my 1st) which I got about 20 years back. They apper to have a primer and bullet seal.

[jim haycraft]

So-called 'black rounds' were widely described as useable only in submachine guns. This is a common and popular misconception for the most part. There was a 9mm cartridge developed for use with the Luger carbine (and possibly with submachine guns) that developed chamber pressures approx. 15% higher than normal. The cases were of brass, but chemically blackened and should not be confused with the cartridges of later years. The cartridge you describe is probably the 9mm Pistolepatrone 08 mE or the Pistolepatrone 08 mE Trop, that could be used safely with the P.08, P.38 or the various machine pistols. These cartridges are similar in appearance, with steel cases, coated with a greenish lacquer and chemically blackened steel jacketed or sintered steel bullets. Due to the lower weight of the steel bullets (approx. 101 grains or even slightly less with sintered steel), muzzle velocities were higher with the same powder load and the same chamber pressures. Your particular cartridge was manufactured by Waffenfabrik Br�¼nn AG, Povazska Bystrika Works, Czechoslovakia (dou), manufactured as Lot 7 in 1943, with steel case (St+). The most obvious difference between the mE and mE Trop was the sealing of the case mouth with lacquer.

[Heinz]

Jim, thank you, very informative.