Data request 1937 and 1938 S/42 - Page 5

JOHN42768 · 03-03-2008, 11:16 PM

Hi Jan, Brand new to forum. My first post goes to you. 1937 S/42, sn 4185u, DE/63 DE/63 MTP all matching except mag.

Edward Tinker · 03-03-2008, 11:58 PM

John, welcome to the forum! I have merged your thread into this one where all the other 1937 info is located.

Ed

JOHN42768 · 03-04-2008, 12:23 AM

Thanks Ed, I'll figure out where everything goes in time. John

John Sabato · 03-05-2008, 11:36 AM

Jan, I finally got a good look at the 1937 S/42 sn 8091a that I mentioned long ago.

Here is a photo (although not very focused, but you can see the images. The numbers are definitely both 63. Sorry this took so long.

grapppa · 03-24-2008, 07:09 PM

Jan

1937 S/42 sn 3513 SE63 SE63 MTP blued
1937 S/42 sn 7727p DE63 DE63 MTP strawed

Paul

Aaron · 03-24-2008, 09:33 PM

1937 S/42 sn 6295a SE63 SE63 MTP blued, matching grips

AK2 G. · 05-08-2008, 10:17 PM

1937 S/42 SE63 SE63 MTP, 6054a , blued and bump

whcoyote · 06-01-2008, 11:54 PM

Jan:
1937, S/42, S/N 1646x: DE/63 DE/63 MTP, all black, w/frame hump. The two DE/63s were definitely stamped with two different dies.
Bob

whcoyote · 06-02-2008, 12:15 AM

Jan:
Ref my prior reply on 1937 S/42 S/N 1646X: The magazine is matching (first mag, not extra) and has an SE/63 Acceptance Stamp.
Bob

Ron D · 12-02-2008, 05:31 PM

1938 S/42, sn 9307k, SE/63 SE/63 MTP Mat mag SE/63

Jan C Still · 12-02-2008, 10:16 PM

Jea-marie, Hoyt, grappa, bar 44, ChannelIsles, John Winter, John (Capricorn), John 42766, John Sabato, Paul, Aaron, AK2 G., whcoyte and Ron; thanks for the 1937 and 1938 S/42 data. Table updated.

lypet · 02-26-2009, 07:18 PM

1938 S/42, sn 4463c, SE/83 SE/63 non matching mag. I could be wrong, the reblue is so heavy it is very hard to see even with a 10X loupe.

1938 S/42, sn 7804h, SE/63 SE/63 non matching mag, Silver and gold plated, Heavy barrel

bgoat3 · 03-01-2009, 09:00 AM

Mr. Still,

As per my post with pictures on the forum. Any information/enlightenment would be appreciated.

1938 S/42 'parts marking' as pictured in Kenyon's Lugers at Random page 370

Serial # is 9057, O block, which I believe falls outside the 1938 range and into 1939 production.

Receiver and barrel with no serial numbers, but S/42 marked on left of receiver where serial number would normally be. No WAA's or firing proofs on right side of slide, but barrel is stamped E/655...1939 production?, as per Kenyon's photo's, but no index marks on barrel/slide, all toggle parts and internals including firing pin marked 57, as per normal.

The bottom half is all matching, including mag, which is E/63 marked, grips are 6 digits off.

Rare or just unusual? Kinda spooky looking without proofs and serial numbers. I have never encountered one, but remembered seeing the variation pictured.

Would really appreciate any information on this anomaly from the experts.

Silvereagle29 · 03-05-2009, 04:02 AM

A long time ago, I determined that serial numbers without the essential related data only provides an avenue to get a collector of this information in a lot of trouble. The 1937-S/42 is a good example. There were three major transitions in 1937. Number one, the change from the straw small parts to the all blue small parts. It would help if you would indicate this info with the serial number and letter suffix (blue or straw). Number two, the no hump to the hump (does your pistol have the Mauser hump). Keep in mind that some pistols with straw small parts have the Mauser hump (please indicate). And three the change in the magazine acceptance in the - r - block from the DE-63 to the SE-63. If this data is not presented, all we have is serial numbers and absolutly no way to present these changes to collectors. Hopefully you guys who are presenting the serial numbers will provide this additional information. I collect serial numbers also and need this information to make accurate comments. Thanks

Silvereagle29 · 03-05-2009, 04:10 AM

A long time ago, I determined that serial numbers without the essential related data only provides an avenue to get a collector of this data in trouble. The 1937-S/42 is a good example. There were three major transitions in 1937. Number one, the change from the straw small parts to the all blue small parts. Indicate this with the serial number (blue or straw).Number two, the no hump to the hump (does your pistol have the Mauser hump). Keep in mind that some pistols with straw small parts have the Mauser hump (please indicate). And three the change in the magazine acceptance in the - r - block from the DE-63 to the SE-63. If this data is not presented, all we have is serial numbers and absolutly no way to present these changes to collectors. Hopefully you guys who are presenting the serial numbers will provide this additional information. I collect serial numbers also and need this information to make accurate comments. Thanks

Silvereagle29 · 03-05-2009, 11:10 PM

As usual at my age I always seem to forget something. The forth area of interest in the 1937-S/42 Luger production is the change from the DE-63 Inspector to the SE-63 Inspector. My records lead me to believe this acceptance mark transition started in the - u - block and continued well into the - a - block. It's my opinion this change is very important to the serious collector. Fact is, if we look hard enough, 1937 military Lugers can be found with a SE-63 DE-63 combination of Inspectors. Good Luck

Jan C Still · 03-06-2009, 03:27 AM

Transitional acceptance stamps 1937 S/42, sn 2926z, DE63 SE63. The change from DE to SE is shown in the table above.
Jan

Jan C Still · 03-06-2009, 06:13 PM

Don
You have for years stood on the sidelines and made suggestions on how Forum members were doing it all wrong in collecting Mauser Luger data (you made similar comments on the GLCPAP Forum years ago). I know that you have a huge collection of Mauser Lugers. However, in all this time I have never observed you supply data (specific Luger information) to the members of this Forum or the German Luger Central Powers and Axis Pistols Forum.

If you can do such a superior job I encourage you to set up your own table complete with your criteria for data entry here on this Forum. Get in the trenches and do a little work instead of sniping from the sidelines. The collectors on this forum are very interested in Mauser Lugers and will be helpful in supplying data. I look forward to your Mauser Luger data table on this Forum.
Thanks
Jan

Silvereagle29 · 03-06-2009, 09:25 PM

Jan

Thank you very much for your kind words. Jan, I have always appreciated your keen ability to attempt a little character assassination here and there. You worry to much, many of your followers still believe your the Luger King!! Also please keep in mind that "Jan Still" may be big time, but there still is a little room in Luger collecting for few others.

Now for some facts..First of all I have provided information to Luger collectors for many many years, as you remember I helped you a great deal while you were writing "Third Reich Lugers" and later books. Fact is, you came to my home and stayed for three days taking pictures and discussing Lugers. Obvously, I had something to offer at the time.

Just because I fail to provide you with any Luger information; doesn't mean that I just set around and steal information from your website. As you can see, I really didn't like your accusation and assumptions. I have provided information and related data to hundreds of collectors, via the Postoffice and email. Just today I mailed out six packets of magazine data and Mauser Luger information. Chances are I will get more numbers for the "master magazine list" hopefully several more Mauser Luger serial numbers. Jan, I just don't want to become involved in your "pushing contest". In addition, I rather doubt that I will be asking your permission to continue my research anytime in the near future. Maybe some of the guys that I have helped in the last 30 years will stand up and be counted. On the other hand; I suppose to disagree with you might get one removed from "Gunboards. My email address is < drh@oz.net > in the event you want to send some more of your famous criticism

Actually, I didn't realize you were the owner of the Luger Forum; I'll make every effort to "read only" in the future. As for collecting Luger data, I'm also many years ahead of you on that issue too. I was searching for Luger serial number data in the early 1960's Once in awhile there is a number on your list that Is not already recorded in my file. I see numbers on your list that could have only came from me in a round about way. I also see a lot of information posted that could have only been a result of my research. Information passed on as a result of data mailed to other collectors. I certainly wouldn't send you a nasty note indicating you should do your own homework.

In the future, I will continue to provide any information needed by Luger collectors, just as I have in the past. If Mr Still realized how much information that I provide collectors, he wouldn't post such nasty comments. Besides Jan, one day you will see all of my numbers. Good Luck.
Don

Jan C Still · 03-07-2009, 03:58 PM

a j s
Thanks for the information (GLCPAP Forum). Table updated.
Jan

03-03-2008, 11:16 PM	#1
JOHN42768 New User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: upstate N.Y. Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	S/42 Data for Jan Hi Jan, Brand new to forum. My first post goes to you. 1937 S/42, sn 4185u, DE/63 DE/63 MTP all matching except mag. __________________ "Freedom flies in your heart like an eagle. Let it soar with the winds high above Among the spirits of soldiers now sleeping, Guard it with care and with love" Audie Murphy (1925-1971)

03-03-2008, 11:58 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,609 Times in 2,123 Posts	John, welcome to the forum! I have merged your thread into this one where all the other 1937 info is located. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-04-2008, 12:23 AM	#3
JOHN42768 New User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: upstate N.Y. Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Ed, I'll figure out where everything goes in time. John __________________ "Freedom flies in your heart like an eagle. Let it soar with the winds high above Among the spirits of soldiers now sleeping, Guard it with care and with love" Audie Murphy (1925-1971)

03-05-2008, 11:36 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Jan, I finally got a good look at the 1937 S/42 sn 8091a that I mentioned long ago. Here is a photo (although not very focused, but you can see the images. The numbers are definitely both 63. Sorry this took so long. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-24-2008, 07:09 PM	#5
grapppa User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 150 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	S/42s to report Jan 1937 S/42 sn 3513 SE63 SE63 MTP blued 1937 S/42 sn 7727p DE63 DE63 MTP strawed Paul

03-24-2008, 09:33 PM	#6
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	1937 S/42 sn 6295a SE63 SE63 MTP blued, matching grips

05-08-2008, 10:17 PM	#7
AK2 G. New User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1937 S/42 SE63 SE63 MTP, 6054a , blued and bump

06-01-2008, 11:54 PM	#8
whcoyote User Join Date: May 2008 Location: SW Virginia Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Jan: 1937, S/42, S/N 1646x: DE/63 DE/63 MTP, all black, w/frame hump. The two DE/63s were definitely stamped with two different dies. Bob

06-02-2008, 12:15 AM	#9
whcoyote User Join Date: May 2008 Location: SW Virginia Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	'37 & '38 P.08 markings Jan: Ref my prior reply on 1937 S/42 S/N 1646X: The magazine is matching (first mag, not extra) and has an SE/63 Acceptance Stamp. Bob

12-02-2008, 05:31 PM	#10
Ron D New User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Data request 1937 and 1938 S/42 1938 S/42, sn 9307k, SE/63 SE/63 MTP Mat mag SE/63

12-02-2008, 10:16 PM	#11
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Jea-marie, Hoyt, grappa, bar 44, ChannelIsles, John Winter, John (Capricorn), John 42766, John Sabato, Paul, Aaron, AK2 G., whcoyte and Ron; thanks for the 1937 and 1938 S/42 data. Table updated.

03-01-2009, 09:00 AM	#13
bgoat3 User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1938 S/42 out of posted ser. # range S/42 marked receiver with no proofs/ser.#'s Mr. Still, As per my post with pictures on the forum. Any information/enlightenment would be appreciated. 1938 S/42 'parts marking' as pictured in Kenyon's Lugers at Random page 370 Serial # is 9057, O block, which I believe falls outside the 1938 range and into 1939 production. Receiver and barrel with no serial numbers, but S/42 marked on left of receiver where serial number would normally be. No WAA's or firing proofs on right side of slide, but barrel is stamped E/655...1939 production?, as per Kenyon's photo's, but no index marks on barrel/slide, all toggle parts and internals including firing pin marked 57, as per normal. The bottom half is all matching, including mag, which is E/63 marked, grips are 6 digits off. Rare or just unusual? Kinda spooky looking without proofs and serial numbers. I have never encountered one, but remembered seeing the variation pictured. Would really appreciate any information on this anomaly from the experts.

03-05-2009, 04:02 AM	#14
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	A long time ago, I determined that serial numbers without the essential related data only provides an avenue to get a collector of this information in a lot of trouble. The 1937-S/42 is a good example. There were three major transitions in 1937. Number one, the change from the straw small parts to the all blue small parts. It would help if you would indicate this info with the serial number and letter suffix (blue or straw). Number two, the no hump to the hump (does your pistol have the Mauser hump). Keep in mind that some pistols with straw small parts have the Mauser hump (please indicate). And three the change in the magazine acceptance in the - r - block from the DE-63 to the SE-63. If this data is not presented, all we have is serial numbers and absolutly no way to present these changes to collectors. Hopefully you guys who are presenting the serial numbers will provide this additional information. I collect serial numbers also and need this information to make accurate comments. Thanks

03-05-2009, 04:10 AM	#15
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	A long time ago, I determined that serial numbers without the essential related data only provides an avenue to get a collector of this data in trouble. The 1937-S/42 is a good example. There were three major transitions in 1937. Number one, the change from the straw small parts to the all blue small parts. Indicate this with the serial number (blue or straw).Number two, the no hump to the hump (does your pistol have the Mauser hump). Keep in mind that some pistols with straw small parts have the Mauser hump (please indicate). And three the change in the magazine acceptance in the - r - block from the DE-63 to the SE-63. If this data is not presented, all we have is serial numbers and absolutly no way to present these changes to collectors. Hopefully you guys who are presenting the serial numbers will provide this additional information. I collect serial numbers also and need this information to make accurate comments. Thanks

03-05-2009, 11:10 PM	#16
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	As usual at my age I always seem to forget something. The forth area of interest in the 1937-S/42 Luger production is the change from the DE-63 Inspector to the SE-63 Inspector. My records lead me to believe this acceptance mark transition started in the - u - block and continued well into the - a - block. It's my opinion this change is very important to the serious collector. Fact is, if we look hard enough, 1937 military Lugers can be found with a SE-63 DE-63 combination of Inspectors. Good Luck

03-06-2009, 06:13 PM	#18
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Don You have for years stood on the sidelines and made suggestions on how Forum members were doing it all wrong in collecting Mauser Luger data (you made similar comments on the GLCPAP Forum years ago). I know that you have a huge collection of Mauser Lugers. However, in all this time I have never observed you supply data (specific Luger information) to the members of this Forum or the German Luger Central Powers and Axis Pistols Forum. If you can do such a superior job I encourage you to set up your own table complete with your criteria for data entry here on this Forum. Get in the trenches and do a little work instead of sniping from the sidelines. The collectors on this forum are very interested in Mauser Lugers and will be helpful in supplying data. I look forward to your Mauser Luger data table on this Forum. Thanks Jan

03-06-2009, 09:25 PM	#19
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Jan Thank you very much for your kind words. Jan, I have always appreciated your keen ability to attempt a little character assassination here and there. You worry to much, many of your followers still believe your the Luger King!! Also please keep in mind that "Jan Still" may be big time, but there still is a little room in Luger collecting for few others. Now for some facts..First of all I have provided information to Luger collectors for many many years, as you remember I helped you a great deal while you were writing "Third Reich Lugers" and later books. Fact is, you came to my home and stayed for three days taking pictures and discussing Lugers. Obvously, I had something to offer at the time. Just because I fail to provide you with any Luger information; doesn't mean that I just set around and steal information from your website. As you can see, I really didn't like your accusation and assumptions. I have provided information and related data to hundreds of collectors, via the Postoffice and email. Just today I mailed out six packets of magazine data and Mauser Luger information. Chances are I will get more numbers for the "master magazine list" hopefully several more Mauser Luger serial numbers. Jan, I just don't want to become involved in your "pushing contest". In addition, I rather doubt that I will be asking your permission to continue my research anytime in the near future. Maybe some of the guys that I have helped in the last 30 years will stand up and be counted. On the other hand; I suppose to disagree with you might get one removed from "Gunboards. My email address is < drh@oz.net > in the event you want to send some more of your famous criticism Actually, I didn't realize you were the owner of the Luger Forum; I'll make every effort to "read only" in the future. As for collecting Luger data, I'm also many years ahead of you on that issue too. I was searching for Luger serial number data in the early 1960's Once in awhile there is a number on your list that Is not already recorded in my file. I see numbers on your list that could have only came from me in a round about way. I also see a lot of information posted that could have only been a result of my research. Information passed on as a result of data mailed to other collectors. I certainly wouldn't send you a nasty note indicating you should do your own homework. In the future, I will continue to provide any information needed by Luger collectors, just as I have in the past. If Mr Still realized how much information that I provide collectors, he wouldn't post such nasty comments. Besides Jan, one day you will see all of my numbers. Good Luck. Don

03-07-2009, 03:58 PM	#20
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	a j s Thanks for the information (GLCPAP Forum). Table updated. Jan

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