Import mark

[cirelaw]

A prior discussion on import Marks Value~~ https://www.lugerforums.com/threads/...-marks.121855/

[cirelaw]

A Great Article On Explaining Markings!!!! https://www.ammoland.com/2013/10/gun...#axzz7UQ4StfEc

[MikeP]

I am now past acquiring anything.
If I was, I would be picky regarding import marks.
Rare pieces merit thought.
The old mantras about waiting, patience, and chance are wearing thin and merit consideration on their own.
My BYF 41 in 1963 is a different animal in 2022.

[cirelaw]

Mine are all virgins!~

[Norme]

I know of one instance where an importers mark actually adds considerable value. I'm referring to the Navy Lugers imported into the US from Ireland in 1991. Most of the 20 or so guns are in poor shape with mis-matched parts, but they are marked by Bill Edwards, the importer, on the top of the right frame rail, concealed when the gun is assembled.
They were smuggled into Ireland by U boat in 1914 just prior to the Easter Uprising, an effort by Germany to foment trouble and tie down British troops that would otherwise be in France.
They are much desired by Luger collectors of Irish descent, and I'd dearly like to own one myself even though I'm British by birth.
Norm

[Yakman]

Norme, I can think of a couple other importers whose marks have increased the value of the pistols they appear on, AF Stoeger and Ambercrombie & Fitch.

I say that jokingly but have often wondered what's so special about those importers. Stoeger, for example, imported SAFE/LOADED marked pistols with no other distinguishing marks. I wonder why convention makes those with Stoeger's import mark more desirable and consequently more valuable. Collectors also like Pacific Arms' identifying marks, and their guns are mostly, if not all, reworks, what I'd call the bottom of the barrel for collectables. They derive their increased value and collectability solely from Pacific Arms identifying marks, not the pistols themselves.

I'm guilty of following this convention, too.

Jack

[cirelaw]

Do they desinate where the import mark should be placed? What about placing it on a part that can be replaced~ Ie Barrel?

[schutzen-jager]

ATF regulations have changed at least 3 times since 1968 as to placement , size , + content - - like the one shown in picture does not have country of origin which is now a current requirement -
i believe this to be the most current
- Title 27 CFR Part 478.92 requires that within 15 days after release from Customs custody, each firearm imported shall be identified by engraving or casting the serial number on the frame or receiver; in addition, the following (1) model, (2) caliber or gauge, (3) name of manufacturer an country where manufactured and (4) the name, city and State of the importer shall be engraved, cast or stamped on the frame, receiver or barrel. must be to a minimum depth of.003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch Name of Manufacturer Must be conspicuously engraved, cast or stamped (impressed) on the firearm frame, receiver, barrel or slide - ]

[cirelaw]

Are we to assume that all luger without import stamps were imported to the US, including GI bring backs don't apply to the law changed!

[schutzen-jager]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Are we to assume that all luger without import stamps were imported to the US, including GI bring backs don't apply to the law changed!

import stamps not required on U.S. imports prior to December 1968 -

[cirelaw]

Found It~~https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearm...ation-overview

[Mac Cat]

Nobody is calling anyone a "liar".
We are here to fine the truth in a complicated history.
Please keep it civil.

[cirelaw]

Call me old fashion but I've always only considered a virgin! Wives exception, of course`