22 conversion kits

[Edward Tinker]

I did a search last night -

[John Sabato]

Best description I ever heard for Napalm was "jellied" gasoline... I just never bothered to find out what they use to turn the gas into a loose gelatin... soap? Really? DUZ?

(...and for you young whipper/snappers... Duz, a powdered laundry soap and later, a powdered laundry detergent which had glassware and plates in each box; last made in 1980.)

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by John Sabato

Best description I ever heard for Napalm was "jellied" gasoline... I just never bothered to find out what they use to turn the gas into a loose gelatin... soap? Really? DUZ?

I use Palmolive, have for decades...Never used Duz...I recall the recipe only because it was so out of place in a gentlemen's magazine...Along with sci-fi novels ("The Fly")...

Liquid soap would seem to be more appropriate for a jellied exfoliate...But that's my memory of the recipe...

[John Sabato]

BTW, .22LR headspaces on the RIM, not the cartridge mouth, so case length is irrelevant... Overall length (OAL)? that is a different story...

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by John Sabato

BTW, .22LR headspaces on the RIM, not the cartridge mouth, so case length is irrelevant...

The print says .875" chamber...I like to keep the freebore to a minimum...I measured a Remington Viper cartridge + bullet at .760"...That seems like a lot of freebore...

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by John Sabato

BTW, .22LR headspaces on the RIM, not the cartridge mouth, so case length is irrelevant... Overall length (OAL)? that is a different story...

Got the reamer in today...Won't have occasion to use it for a few days yet...

I had to smile when I unpacked it...All my other reamers are a universal length; this one is about 2/3 size...I guess they didn't want to waste all that steel...

[sheepherder]

I had a chance to shoot the Erma SE 08/2 .22 kit today, Mounted on my commercial P-08.

Loaded one 22LR round in the magazine, racked the toggle. Round chambered OK. Pulled the trigger; round went off OK. Spent case ejected OK. It also ejected the extractor, extractor plunger, and extractor plunger spring. Not good.

I found all three pieces. The spring & plunger just fell off to the side; the spent case and the extractor itself were 20 feet downrange.

Anyone else have this happen??? I have an email asking the previous owner if he had any such instance, but I think he would have mentioned it.

Note: None of the pieces were damaged. They just came apart. I suspect the ammunition was 'too hot'. The Erma documents don't specify the type or velocity of ammunition. I'm going to try to find some 22 Target rounds (~1,000fps) and see how that works.

[Edward Tinker]

If I remember right, Bob Tracy besides using Agent Orange, helped mix up Napalm - they had big barrels of powered soap, I think so it would mix better - seem to remember it was gas / diesel and soap - gas for quick burn, diesel for slowing it down and saop made it stick on 'things'... nasty stuff, google says:

Napalm is a mixture of a thickening/gelling agent and petroleum or a similar fuel for use in an incendiary device. It was initially used against buildings, and later was used primarily as an anti-personnel weapon that sticks to skin and causes severe burns when on fire. Napalm was developed in 1942, in a secret laboratory at Harvard University in Massachusetts, by a team led by chemist Louis Fieser.[1] Its first recorded use was in the European theatre of war during World War II; it was used extensively in incendiary attacks on Japanese cities in the Pacific War.
"Napalm" is a combination of the names of two of the constituents of the gelling agent: naphthenic acid and palmitic acid. "Napalm B" is the more modern version of napalm and, although distinctly different in its chemical composition, it is often referred to simply as "napalm".[2

A more modern version, "Napalm-B" or "super napalm", is a blend of low-octane petrol (gasoline) with benzene and gelled with polystyrene. This is the type that was used in the Vietnam War. Unlike conventional napalm, which burns for only 15–30 seconds, Napalm-B burns for up to 10 minutes and is significantly more adhesive which gives improved destruction effects.

nasty stuff - please shoot me...

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

If I remember right, Bob Tracy besides using Agent Orange...

True story - Back in 1967/8, I drove to work in Tonawanda NY past a factory named Riverside Chemical. They had stockpiles of palletized 55 gal drums, olive drab, with thin colored rings around the circumference. Some were orange, some red, and some purple. An AFRES co-worker told me they were the infamous Agent Orange defoliants.

Riverside Chemical either quietly went out of business or moved, sometime in the 70's. The land was bulldozed flat. It was still unoccupied, the last time I went by, a few years ago.

[ithacaartist]

Polystyrene?!! Holy mackerel! Once alight, it drips and sticks and keeps on burning. I'm with Ed!

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Polystyrene?!! Holy mackerel! Once alight, it drips and sticks and keeps on burning. I'm with Ed!

Back in the 50's, I used to set alight those 3" green plastic soldiers that were common among us kids. I had the scars on my hands for dozens of years. Along with the oval burn scar on my right calf from Norton/Triumph exhaust pipes.

[Curss]

Are these .22 conversion kits semi-auto or do you have to manually work the bolt, err, toggle? And which kits are more desirable?

[John Sabato]

Definitely for use with only standard velocity rounds. Hot .22 ammo didn't exist when the unit was designed...

[sheepherder]

Chamber insert is finished; conversion assembled. I drove quite a bit out of my way and found some CCI 40gr LRN 'standard velocity' "Target" ammunition...$8.99/50rds...

I'll see how far that ammunition will throw the extractor tomorrow...

[Curss]

If that still causes issues, would sub-sonic rounds be the next step?

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Curss

If that still causes issues, would sub-sonic rounds be the next step?

I dunno...But I bought a box!

[Curss]

Excellent, hopefully the parts won't get any air time!

[Edward Tinker]

Well Rich, I like it

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Well Rich, I like it

Just make sure there's a basket in front of the bench...Maybe put a second target in the basket...Score a 'two-fer'...

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Just make sure there's a basket in front of the bench...Maybe put a second target in the basket...Score a 'two-fer'...

gorilla glue?