1913 Eckart

Walt NW · 04-18-2005, 11:12 PM

Now that I've finally figured out how to send pics, (only took my addled brain a month), would still like to get an opinion on whether it is best to have the missing strap pull through loop replaced on the flap of this 1913 Eckart police conversion or if it would be best just to leave well enough alone. Also, as it came with my police DMW/Krieghoff double date, I have no idea of its stand alone value, so would appreciate an approximation if possible. Hopefully, picture follows.

Walt NW · 04-18-2005, 11:15 PM

back holster

Ron Smith · 04-18-2005, 11:25 PM

Hi Walt, Definitely! Jerry Burney could replace it and you could'nt tell it from orginal. Holsters are going nuts price wise. Yours would be in the $200 plus range. Just look for a forum member called" lugerholsterrepair ", that's Jerry.

Ron

Edward Tinker · 04-18-2005, 11:53 PM

I'd have it fixed by Jerry, he does a great job, although he's too cheap in his prices.

Except for Ron, he charges full prices!!

Seriously, I think that the price / value is at least what ron said.

ed

maddog350gt · 04-19-2005, 04:47 AM

Hi Walt,
just an observation as I am not an expert on holsters, but finding anything original before the war is getting rare. Production geared up after the war started so you see more 15, 16, 17 and 18 WWI's. I would up your value by at least $50 to $100, for a total of $250 - $300, just on the basis of it being 1913. I can remember just a few years ago when you could get a good holster for $100 now good ones seem to start at $250.

Just my two cents,
Bob M.

Walt NW · 04-19-2005, 10:48 AM

Thanks much, guys. See where Jerry is moving to AZ for a bit so will contact him in the near future and see what the charges will be to add a loop to this thing. Much appreciation.

lugerholsterrepair · 04-19-2005, 11:37 AM

Walt, Sorry I did not have time yesterday to respond to your inquiry.
You have a very nice Police conversion. The leather seems to be exceptional. Corlor is nice and all in all a beautiful holster. The hinge is in exceptional shape. Nice to see on a holster as old as this one.

I get asked often if I think a holster should be repaired. It is really up to you and your collecting style. Some people would not mind the missing closure tab or the stitching holes. Other types of collectors would prefer to have it back to it's original form and replace it if it could be done right.

The biggest mistake I see come through my leather shop is a repair made by a person who is unfamiliar with proper restoration and not only bungles the job but further damages the piece beyond proper repair such as a shoe repair shop.

This tab can be replicated, proper width and thickness, dyed the proper color and stitched on with linen thread just as German Saddlers would have done. This job would cost $15.00 plus return shipping.

Hope this helps, Jerry Burney

Edward Tinker · 04-19-2005, 01:41 PM

Jerry, I have an interesting one for you. It is a WW1 case for binoc's, some idiot pulled too hard in closing them and ripped the bottom tab off. I'll include a picture for you, lesson is, don't pull so darn hard, uh, I mean, ensure others don't pull so hard...

Walt NW · 04-19-2005, 02:46 PM

You got it, Jerry, and thanks much. Will get it off to you if a couple days to your AZ address. $15 will barely cover a pair of shoe laces today so price is well more then reasonable. Will send check for $25 to make sure return postage is covered.
Appreciate this big time,

Walt NW · 04-19-2005, 02:50 PM

Jerry,
Don't know why I had it in my head you had moved to Arizona. Guess I better send this thing to Colorado. On its way shortly.
Walt

Pete Ebbink · 04-19-2005, 07:21 PM

Hi Walt,

I have had 2-3 holsters in Jerry's shop for repair...and he never disappoints.

Reading on the Luger Forum and on Jan Still's Gun Board, it seems that most luger collectors that strive for all original and not-messed with lugers do not seem to object to having excellent restoration work done on their leather...

Repaired, I think your holster would be a bargin at $ 270-300...it is a beauty !

Walt NW · 04-29-2005, 11:09 AM

Just received my Eckart back from Jerry. Couldn't be happier. Amazing what a little piece of leather can do in the hands of a craftsman. The color and thread are virtual matches to the original and looks like the repair was done at the factory. My great appreciation to you gentlemen who put me on to Jerry's work and another tip of the hat to Mr. Burney.

John Sabato · 04-29-2005, 11:29 AM

Walt, please post a photo of Jerry's repair work for all to see. He is a true craftsman... and his work deserves much more attention than it gets.

the gunman · 04-29-2005, 01:55 PM

Have had I beleive 4 holsters repaired now by this fine gentleman. can't say enough about the fine quality repair work he does.

Walt NW · 04-30-2005, 11:37 AM

Jerry's repaired 1913 Eckart police conversion.

Walt NW · 04-30-2005, 11:41 AM

1913 Eckart police conversion holster and DMW/Krieghoff police. Perfect pair thanks to Jerry's craftsmanship.

lugerholsterrepair · 04-30-2005, 12:28 PM

Walt, Thanks for the great write up on my small repair! I do appreciate all of you and your input. It's always satisfying to be a part of restoring a historical piece. Even such a small repair as this one was!
Thanks to all for your trust and confidence. Jerry Burney

04-18-2005, 11:12 PM	#1
Walt NW User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Caney, Texas Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 Eckart Now that I've finally figured out how to send pics, (only took my addled brain a month), would still like to get an opinion on whether it is best to have the missing strap pull through loop replaced on the flap of this 1913 Eckart police conversion or if it would be best just to leave well enough alone. Also, as it came with my police DMW/Krieghoff double date, I have no idea of its stand alone value, so would appreciate an approximation if possible. Hopefully, picture follows. Attached Thumbnails

04-18-2005, 11:15 PM	#2
Walt NW User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Caney, Texas Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	back holster Attached Thumbnails

04-18-2005, 11:25 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Walt, Definitely! Jerry Burney could replace it and you could'nt tell it from orginal. Holsters are going nuts price wise. Yours would be in the $200 plus range. Just look for a forum member called" lugerholsterrepair ", that's Jerry. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-19-2005, 11:37 AM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Walt, Sorry I did not have time yesterday to respond to your inquiry. You have a very nice Police conversion. The leather seems to be exceptional. Corlor is nice and all in all a beautiful holster. The hinge is in exceptional shape. Nice to see on a holster as old as this one. I get asked often if I think a holster should be repaired. It is really up to you and your collecting style. Some people would not mind the missing closure tab or the stitching holes. Other types of collectors would prefer to have it back to it's original form and replace it if it could be done right. The biggest mistake I see come through my leather shop is a repair made by a person who is unfamiliar with proper restoration and not only bungles the job but further damages the piece beyond proper repair such as a shoe repair shop. This tab can be replicated, proper width and thickness, dyed the proper color and stitched on with linen thread just as German Saddlers would have done. This job would cost $15.00 plus return shipping. Hope this helps, Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-19-2005, 01:41 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Jerry, I have an interesting one for you. It is a WW1 case for binoc's, some idiot pulled too hard in closing them and ripped the bottom tab off. I'll include a picture for you, lesson is, don't pull so darn hard, uh, I mean, ensure others don't pull so hard... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-18-2005, 11:53 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	I'd have it fixed by Jerry, he does a great job, although he's too cheap in his prices. Except for Ron, he charges full prices!! Seriously, I think that the price / value is at least what ron said. ed

04-19-2005, 04:47 AM	#5
maddog350gt User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Washougal WA Posts: 170 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Hi Walt, just an observation as I am not an expert on holsters, but finding anything original before the war is getting rare. Production geared up after the war started so you see more 15, 16, 17 and 18 WWI's. I would up your value by at least $50 to $100, for a total of $250 - $300, just on the basis of it being 1913. I can remember just a few years ago when you could get a good holster for $100 now good ones seem to start at $250. Just my two cents, Bob M.

04-19-2005, 10:48 AM	#6
Walt NW User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Caney, Texas Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks much, guys. See where Jerry is moving to AZ for a bit so will contact him in the near future and see what the charges will be to add a loop to this thing. Much appreciation.

04-19-2005, 02:46 PM	#9
Walt NW User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Caney, Texas Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You got it, Jerry, and thanks much. Will get it off to you if a couple days to your AZ address. $15 will barely cover a pair of shoe laces today so price is well more then reasonable. Will send check for $25 to make sure return postage is covered. Appreciate this big time,

04-19-2005, 02:50 PM	#10
Walt NW User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Caney, Texas Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jerry, Don't know why I had it in my head you had moved to Arizona. Guess I better send this thing to Colorado. On its way shortly. Walt

04-19-2005, 07:21 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Walt, I have had 2-3 holsters in Jerry's shop for repair...and he never disappoints. Reading on the Luger Forum and on Jan Still's Gun Board, it seems that most luger collectors that strive for all original and not-messed with lugers do not seem to object to having excellent restoration work done on their leather... Repaired, I think your holster would be a bargin at $ 270-300...it is a beauty !

04-29-2005, 11:09 AM	#12
Walt NW User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Caney, Texas Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just received my Eckart back from Jerry. Couldn't be happier. Amazing what a little piece of leather can do in the hands of a craftsman. The color and thread are virtual matches to the original and looks like the repair was done at the factory. My great appreciation to you gentlemen who put me on to Jerry's work and another tip of the hat to Mr. Burney.

04-29-2005, 11:29 AM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Walt, please post a photo of Jerry's repair work for all to see. He is a true craftsman... and his work deserves much more attention than it gets. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-29-2005, 01:55 PM	#14
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Have had I beleive 4 holsters repaired now by this fine gentleman. can't say enough about the fine quality repair work he does.

04-30-2005, 11:37 AM	#15
Walt NW User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Caney, Texas Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jerry's repaired 1913 Eckart police conversion. Attached Thumbnails

04-30-2005, 11:41 AM	#16
Walt NW User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Caney, Texas Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 Eckart police conversion holster and DMW/Krieghoff police. Perfect pair thanks to Jerry's craftsmanship. Attached Thumbnails

04-30-2005, 12:28 PM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Walt, Thanks for the great write up on my small repair! I do appreciate all of you and your input. It's always satisfying to be a part of restoring a historical piece. Even such a small repair as this one was! Thanks to all for your trust and confidence. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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