What to do about MOLD?

Navy · 03-09-2005, 12:00 AM

All,

It is coming back. On some very rare and old leather. Would like to solve the problem once and for all.

Ideas from leather experts and botanists welcome. Willing to spend a buck or three to solve the problem.

HELP

Tom A.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-09-2005, 03:12 PM

Tom, First thing you have to do is determine if it IS mold. It might not be. It probably is but rub your finger over a good portion of it and see if your finger is greasy.
I have often seen old leather holsters leach out a white surface stuff that looks like mold but isn't. It is oils or fats surfacing that had been put on the holster years ago. I have found no good way to get rid of this stuff except to rub it off with a soft cloth. Assuming it will re surface.
If it is genuinely determined to be mold, I have had good luck with brushing it off with a soft brush since it should be dry and powdery and freezing the holster. This should go a long way towards killing the spores. You may have to do it several times as mold spores are encapsulated and may not be affected by the freezing process untill open.
The last time this conversation surfaced one of the members suggested a commercial mold treatment for use on boats. I forget exactly what it is. I will look thru my old Email and see if I can find it.
One other way I have thought of it to deprive the mold of oxygen for a time. I am going to try stuffing the holster gently with paper and placing it in a food saver bag and vacuuming out most of the air. If the vacuum dosen't smoosh the holster it would be worth a try.
Maybe some of the other members have some ideas?
Jerry Burney

Navy · 03-09-2005, 06:32 PM

Hi Jerry,

Thanks for the tips. Will try the freezing thing.

Your Herd Bud

Fritzer · 03-09-2005, 07:31 PM

I was the boat guy with the odd, unproven idea...
here is the text from the old post...
----------------------------------------
Up here in the humid boating areas, they sell a product called Mil-Du-Gas bags. Meijers used to carry them for your basement, but now the boating supply stores carry them too.

http://www.shipstore.com/SS/HTML/STA/STA89900.html

Anyway the idea is you hang them in a humid confined space (a big baggie might work) and it kills the spores. I have used them in my basement.

A bit more web checking came up with this:
http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-p...=MIL%2dDU%2dGAS
seems the active ingredients are:
PARAFORMALDEHYDE
1,4-DICHLOROBENZENE

Ahh, better living through chemicals. Maybe I was better off before I knew WHAT was in the things.

Anyway, what about tossing one in a baggie with you mildewed leather for a month or so. These Mil-Du bags are made out a a filter paper kind of material and the powder & stuff doesn't come out of the bag, it's supposed to become airborne. It's not a strong chemical odor, kind of a baby powder scent to the thing.
----------------------------------------------------

John Sabato then warned about experimentation on a fine luger holster, and suggested the testing on a less valuable specimen.

So that was the idea - it does the trick in boat interiors and basements, we just don't really know about fine leather of any age.

Regards,
Fritz.

Luke · 03-09-2005, 09:00 PM

Jerry -

You wrote, "I have often seen old leather holsters leach out a white surface stuff that looks like mold but isn't. It is oils or fats surfacing that had been put on the holster years ago. I have found no good way to get rid of this stuff except to rub it off with a soft cloth."

The dark brown holster you sold me couple of years ago had developed the white surface material you described in your comments above. I took an ordinary kleenex and wiped it off; it did have a slightly greasy appearance. I don't know if it was mold, but it sure fits your description above.

After watching the TV show, CSI, it occurs to me that what we REALLY need on the Forum is a forensics guy who collects Lugers and can analyze materials. Wouldn't that be great ?

Luke

lugerholsterrepair · 03-09-2005, 11:59 PM

Fritzer, Thanks! Glad you surfaced. I appreciate the information. I really need to send for one of these things and try it out on a trashed holster. We don't have that much moisture here in Yuma for a good test though.

Luke, It's probably a harmless substance like I said. It comes off very easily. Some holsters I have get it and some never do so I suspect it's a result of past treatment. It may stop over a period of time.

I need to get a powerfull microscope to really look at this stuff close up.

Luke, You are right, we need someone with more knowledge than we have here. There must be someone with the right credentials and real World experience, like a leather conservator at the Smithsonian or some other Museum that deals wit antique leather artifacts.

Jerry Burney

Edward Tinker · 03-10-2005, 12:08 AM

It is interesting Luke and Jerry, I have been displaying a number of holsters I have downstairs in the basement (very dry, not damp), and one of the holsters is showing white.

I will check it out after I get home this weekend.

Ed

susan · 03-10-2005, 02:22 AM

it would be interesting to send a sample off to your local mycology lab, and get the answer once and for all. could be, as jerry said, a "sloughing" off of old leather treatment, or, it could be one of the many fungus types that grow as yeast at room temp. one reason i previously mentioned the danger of using oil on leather as a treatment is that it harbors both bacteria and fungus. Malassezia (pityrosporon) furfur is a fungus that infects skin. in the lab it grows as a white/tan yeast. part of the culturing process involves agar overlaid with olive oil (sterile olive oil is used in the lab.) it grows at 37 degrees C. but many other fungi do well at room temp, and grow as white, powdery yeast. saprophytic fungi are not typically disease producing, and are found in nature as molds on decaying food articles.

susan

susan · 03-10-2005, 02:31 AM

the way to make an oxygen free environment (see jerry's vacum bag comment above) is to take a gallon glass jar (like a pickle jar or the like) place your article in it, then probably put a piece of cardboard on top of the article, and put a candle on it. light the candle, replace the cover. when the oxygen is gone, the candle will go out. leave cover on.

susan

jamese · 03-10-2005, 07:06 AM

Susan,
thats better than the vacum bag idea , you dont have to worry about crush damage

Luke · 03-10-2005, 08:39 AM

. . . . . . but the holster will smell like candle smoke afterwards.

Actually, that's a bad joke. Sorry. An excellent idea, Susan!

Luke

03-09-2005, 12:00 AM	#1
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	What to do about MOLD? All, It is coming back. On some very rare and old leather. Would like to solve the problem once and for all. Ideas from leather experts and botanists welcome. Willing to spend a buck or three to solve the problem. HELP Tom A.

03-09-2005, 03:12 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Tom, First thing you have to do is determine if it IS mold. It might not be. It probably is but rub your finger over a good portion of it and see if your finger is greasy. I have often seen old leather holsters leach out a white surface stuff that looks like mold but isn't. It is oils or fats surfacing that had been put on the holster years ago. I have found no good way to get rid of this stuff except to rub it off with a soft cloth. Assuming it will re surface. If it is genuinely determined to be mold, I have had good luck with brushing it off with a soft brush since it should be dry and powdery and freezing the holster. This should go a long way towards killing the spores. You may have to do it several times as mold spores are encapsulated and may not be affected by the freezing process untill open. The last time this conversation surfaced one of the members suggested a commercial mold treatment for use on boats. I forget exactly what it is. I will look thru my old Email and see if I can find it. One other way I have thought of it to deprive the mold of oxygen for a time. I am going to try stuffing the holster gently with paper and placing it in a food saver bag and vacuuming out most of the air. If the vacuum dosen't smoosh the holster it would be worth a try. Maybe some of the other members have some ideas? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-09-2005, 07:31 PM	#4
Fritzer User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mil-Du-Gas bags I was the boat guy with the odd, unproven idea... here is the text from the old post... ---------------------------------------- Up here in the humid boating areas, they sell a product called Mil-Du-Gas bags. Meijers used to carry them for your basement, but now the boating supply stores carry them too. http://www.shipstore.com/SS/HTML/STA/STA89900.html Anyway the idea is you hang them in a humid confined space (a big baggie might work) and it kills the spores. I have used them in my basement. A bit more web checking came up with this: http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-p...=MIL%2dDU%2dGAS seems the active ingredients are: PARAFORMALDEHYDE 1,4-DICHLOROBENZENE Ahh, better living through chemicals. Maybe I was better off before I knew WHAT was in the things. Anyway, what about tossing one in a baggie with you mildewed leather for a month or so. These Mil-Du bags are made out a a filter paper kind of material and the powder & stuff doesn't come out of the bag, it's supposed to become airborne. It's not a strong chemical odor, kind of a baby powder scent to the thing. ---------------------------------------------------- John Sabato then warned about experimentation on a fine luger holster, and suggested the testing on a less valuable specimen. So that was the idea - it does the trick in boat interiors and basements, we just don't really know about fine leather of any age. Regards, Fritz.

03-09-2005, 09:00 PM	#5
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Jerry - You wrote, "I have often seen old leather holsters leach out a white surface stuff that looks like mold but isn't. It is oils or fats surfacing that had been put on the holster years ago. I have found no good way to get rid of this stuff except to rub it off with a soft cloth." The dark brown holster you sold me couple of years ago had developed the white surface material you described in your comments above. I took an ordinary kleenex and wiped it off; it did have a slightly greasy appearance. I don't know if it was mold, but it sure fits your description above. After watching the TV show, CSI, it occurs to me that what we REALLY need on the Forum is a forensics guy who collects Lugers and can analyze materials. Wouldn't that be great ? Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

03-09-2005, 11:59 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Fritzer, Thanks! Glad you surfaced. I appreciate the information. I really need to send for one of these things and try it out on a trashed holster. We don't have that much moisture here in Yuma for a good test though. Luke, It's probably a harmless substance like I said. It comes off very easily. Some holsters I have get it and some never do so I suspect it's a result of past treatment. It may stop over a period of time. I need to get a powerfull microscope to really look at this stuff close up. Luke, You are right, we need someone with more knowledge than we have here. There must be someone with the right credentials and real World experience, like a leather conservator at the Smithsonian or some other Museum that deals wit antique leather artifacts. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-09-2005, 06:32 PM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Jerry, Thanks for the tips. Will try the freezing thing. Your Herd Bud

03-10-2005, 12:08 AM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	It is interesting Luke and Jerry, I have been displaying a number of holsters I have downstairs in the basement (very dry, not damp), and one of the holsters is showing white. I will check it out after I get home this weekend. Ed

03-10-2005, 02:22 AM	#8
susan User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 45 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	it would be interesting to send a sample off to your local mycology lab, and get the answer once and for all. could be, as jerry said, a "sloughing" off of old leather treatment, or, it could be one of the many fungus types that grow as yeast at room temp. one reason i previously mentioned the danger of using oil on leather as a treatment is that it harbors both bacteria and fungus. Malassezia (pityrosporon) furfur is a fungus that infects skin. in the lab it grows as a white/tan yeast. part of the culturing process involves agar overlaid with olive oil (sterile olive oil is used in the lab.) it grows at 37 degrees C. but many other fungi do well at room temp, and grow as white, powdery yeast. saprophytic fungi are not typically disease producing, and are found in nature as molds on decaying food articles. susan

03-10-2005, 02:31 AM	#9
susan User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 45 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	the way to make an oxygen free environment (see jerry's vacum bag comment above) is to take a gallon glass jar (like a pickle jar or the like) place your article in it, then probably put a piece of cardboard on top of the article, and put a candle on it. light the candle, replace the cover. when the oxygen is gone, the candle will go out. leave cover on. susan

03-10-2005, 07:06 AM	#10
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	Susan, thats better than the vacum bag idea , you dont have to worry about crush damage __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

03-10-2005, 08:39 AM	#11
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 7 Posts	. . . . . . but the holster will smell like candle smoke afterwards. Actually, that's a bad joke. Sorry. An excellent idea, Susan! Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

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