Navy or Police?

Lugerdoc · 12-31-2003, 10:36 AM

It just occurred to me that the crossed out marking on my 1920/1918 DWM PO8 (S.B.W.III.1.76.) might stand for 3rd See Battalion Wilemhaven rather than Schutz Polizi Berlin. If so, certainly a strange format. I'm thrown by the "W". Any opinions? TH

policeluger · 12-31-2003, 12:10 PM

Does the Luger have and other features that a police gun would have...sear/mag safety...proofs marks of a police nature????

Navy · 12-31-2003, 02:47 PM

Tom,

As the III Seebattalion was based in Tsingsao (And destroyed there in 1915, there is no reason IMHO, to believe a Willelmshaven connection.

Tom A.

Lugerdoc · 01-01-2004, 09:26 AM

Tom, I agree any Naval connection is a stretch, but the pistol has no definate police rework features, ie no mag or sear safety. Since probably police markings, can anyone explain or confirm the S.B.W. (particularly the W) marking? TH

Navy · 01-01-2004, 10:18 PM

Tom,
If I were a betting man, I'd wager a dollar or two that the W stood for the district of Wilmersdorf, south of Charlottenberg.

Tom A.

Ron Wood · 01-01-2004, 10:52 PM

Darned if I can find a reference and "old-timers" syndrome clouds my recollection, but it seems to me I have seen somewhere that since the Berlin police districts were the largest in existance, they had separate divisions for Ost(East) and West that were then broken out by districts. So your Luger might be for the Schutzpolizei Berlin, West Division, District III, 1st Precinct, Weapon 76? Just a WAG on what I vaguely remember. I'm probably way off base.

RockinWR · 01-02-2004, 12:17 AM

Ron,
* Right on the money, Ron. You've nailed it cold.
* Pg.93 of Gortz/Byrans German Small Arms Markings yields the 1922 Prussian Police directive giving this grip marking.
Respectfully,
Bob

Lugerdoc · 01-03-2004, 11:04 AM

Thanks to all for your assistance. TH

12-31-2003, 10:36 AM	#1
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Navy or Police? It just occurred to me that the crossed out marking on my 1920/1918 DWM PO8 (S.B.W.III.1.76.) might stand for 3rd See Battalion Wilemhaven rather than Schutz Polizi Berlin. If so, certainly a strange format. I'm thrown by the "W". Any opinions? TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-01-2004, 09:26 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Tom, I agree any Naval connection is a stretch, but the pistol has no definate police rework features, ie no mag or sear safety. Since probably police markings, can anyone explain or confirm the S.B.W. (particularly the W) marking? TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-01-2004, 10:52 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Darned if I can find a reference and "old-timers" syndrome clouds my recollection, but it seems to me I have seen somewhere that since the Berlin police districts were the largest in existance, they had separate divisions for Ost(East) and West that were then broken out by districts. So your Luger might be for the Schutzpolizei Berlin, West Division, District III, 1st Precinct, Weapon 76? Just a WAG on what I vaguely remember. I'm probably way off base. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-03-2004, 11:04 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Thanks to all for your assistance. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

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12-31-2003, 12:10 PM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Does the Luger have and other features that a police gun would have...sear/mag safety...proofs marks of a police nature????

12-31-2003, 02:47 PM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Tom, As the III Seebattalion was based in Tsingsao (And destroyed there in 1915, there is no reason IMHO, to believe a Willelmshaven connection. Tom A.

01-01-2004, 10:18 PM	#5
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Tom, If I were a betting man, I'd wager a dollar or two that the W stood for the district of Wilmersdorf, south of Charlottenberg. Tom A.

01-02-2004, 12:17 AM	#7
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Ron, * Right on the money, Ron. You've nailed it cold. * Pg.93 of Gortz/Byrans German Small Arms Markings yields the 1922 Prussian Police directive giving this grip marking. Respectfully, Bob