Unusual Marking

Tim · 06-18-2003, 08:00 PM

I posted this same picture in the "military" section and, though I don't think this is a unit marking, I'm hoping someone can tell me what it represents. The pistol is a 1916 DWM I purchased recently and has "24" stamped into the very top of the grip strap where it begins to curve into the bottom of the trigger guard. The "2" is partially double struck. It appears contemporary with the other markings on the gun, I've just never seen this type of mark before and have not seen it discussed here... Any ideas?
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John Sabato · 06-20-2003, 10:56 AM

Tim,

The top of the numeral "4" is normally open on stamps of this vintage... and since this one isn't open, but closed, I think this stamp was applied at a much later time than the time of manufacture...

just my

George Anderson · 06-20-2003, 11:26 AM

I beg to differ; the only unit marked gun I have whose mark includes the numeral 4 is a 1910 DWM. The mark is 11.G.M.G.34. The four is closed at the top.

Dwight Gruber · 06-20-2003, 12:01 PM

Unit markings were done in the field, with dies supplied by the government for that purpose. Serial number stamps were for use, and I would speculate probably made, in-house. Therefore, there is every liklihood that the number styles will be different.

I think it is reasonable to conclude that the number was not stamped on this gun at the time of manufacture, but there is nothing that prohibits it (from the evidence at hand) from being contemporaneous.

--Dwight

John Sabato · 06-20-2003, 12:40 PM

Sorry George... I should have been clearer in my posting... I was speaking in general terms of serial number stamps on the guns parts... I have always taken them to be representative of the stamps of the period.

I don't own any Unit Marked guns, I have only examined those owned by others and of course, photographs... There is a wide disparity in the number stamps used for unit markings...

I guess the point I was trying to make was that in my opinion, this particular stamp and it's location doesn't resemble other unit marks that I have seen and I feel that while it may indeed be a military type "rack number", and I agree with Dwight, ...I don't personally know of any evidence that this type of mark could be verified as being placed there at any particular time frame.

Sorry if I confused things... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

George Anderson · 06-20-2003, 03:04 PM

John, I agree that it is not a unit number from the Imperial period. Probably is a "rack number" or property number of sorts. Who knows, could even be some kind of Freikorps marking. By 1919 things in Germany were so chaotic that all sorts of wild things were going on.

06-18-2003, 08:00 PM	#1
Tim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Great North Woods of Wisconsin Posts: 100 Thanks: 7 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Unusual Marking I posted this same picture in the "military" section and, though I don't think this is a unit marking, I'm hoping someone can tell me what it represents. The pistol is a 1916 DWM I purchased recently and has "24" stamped into the very top of the grip strap where it begins to curve into the bottom of the trigger guard. The "2" is partially double struck. It appears contemporary with the other markings on the gun, I've just never seen this type of mark before and have not seen it discussed here... Any ideas? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Thanks in advance for any help in figuring this one out. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> __________________ The intent of the second amendment was not to allow the private ownership of firearms. If it had been it would have said something like "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"...

06-20-2003, 10:56 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Tim, The top of the numeral "4" is normally open on stamps of this vintage... and since this one isn't open, but closed, I think this stamp was applied at a much later time than the time of manufacture... just my __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-20-2003, 12:40 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Sorry George... I should have been clearer in my posting... I was speaking in general terms of serial number stamps on the guns parts... I have always taken them to be representative of the stamps of the period. I don't own any Unit Marked guns, I have only examined those owned by others and of course, photographs... There is a wide disparity in the number stamps used for unit markings... I guess the point I was trying to make was that in my opinion, this particular stamp and it's location doesn't resemble other unit marks that I have seen and I feel that while it may indeed be a military type "rack number", and I agree with Dwight, ...I don't personally know of any evidence that this type of mark could be verified as being placed there at any particular time frame. Sorry if I confused things... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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06-20-2003, 11:26 AM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	I beg to differ; the only unit marked gun I have whose mark includes the numeral 4 is a 1910 DWM. The mark is 11.G.M.G.34. The four is closed at the top.

06-20-2003, 12:01 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Unit markings were done in the field, with dies supplied by the government for that purpose. Serial number stamps were for use, and I would speculate probably made, in-house. Therefore, there is every liklihood that the number styles will be different. I think it is reasonable to conclude that the number was not stamped on this gun at the time of manufacture, but there is nothing that prohibits it (from the evidence at hand) from being contemporaneous. --Dwight

06-20-2003, 03:04 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	John, I agree that it is not a unit number from the Imperial period. Probably is a "rack number" or property number of sorts. Who knows, could even be some kind of Freikorps marking. By 1919 things in Germany were so chaotic that all sorts of wild things were going on.