Luger Lanyard on ebay - Page 2

reich1900 · 06-25-2004, 10:28 PM

I just retured from a trip to Holland and if any members here want to see a great museum there is one just outside of Arnhem (not the Airborne museum in Oosterbeek). Its the Military Museum (Oorlogsmuseum) 40-45 Kemperbergerweg 780,6816 RX Arnhem. On display was a Luger that had a Lanyard, the first one I have seen and the museums owner told me it was used there during the German occupation. And yes I took a picture of it. Since this was a privite museum he had many items for sale and yes I did ask if he had an extra lanyard for sale but no I didn't get that lucky.
Bernie

Vlim · 06-26-2004, 10:33 AM

Hi,

Thanks for the hint. I live in the Netherlands and never heard of that museum in Arnhem

Did the lanyard look anything like this?

lugerholsterrepair · 06-26-2004, 11:11 AM

Bernie, I would be very interested in any photo's of the lanyard you were able to get.

Please Email one to my personal address if you would be so kind.

Another interesting lanyard is Dutch issue. It was considerably different than the German and I have only seen them in photo's. I do not know of a U.S. or European collector who has one in his collection.

Gerben, Please tell me about this lanyard...Do you own it?
Could you send a photo to me?
This is purported to be the elusive Portugese lanyard. It is made like it has been discribed.
Where did you get it?
If you have any information about this I would dearly love to know...Thanks all for your participation in this very interesting subject, Jerry Burney

Vlim · 06-26-2004, 03:02 PM

Hi Jerry,

This one was discussed earlier. It's 'most likely' (no official proof other than photographic) the standard lanyard used by the Dutch navy (K.M. or Koninklijke Marine).

It appears to be very close in style to the Portugese one. Remarkably, these are imprinted with 'made in england' on the strap.

What I think is that some German subcontractor made loops in this style for a number of foreign contracts, including the Dutch Navy and the Portugese. As they are quite fragile in design, I suppose another supplier based in the UK created these as substitutes.

They have the right patina and smell and I have no doubt these loops are over 50 years old.

These got on the Dutch market in a small quantity last year and I was able to get two of them. There are also versions reported that have a small leather sliding/connecting-piece.

G.T. · 06-26-2004, 09:38 PM

Hey Pete! If your looking seriously at that pigskin holster on ebay... look closely at the right hand belt loop... looks to be replaced and attached in a non-standard fashion at the bottom...(what do you think Jerry??) cooled me off on the hunt!!...I think $350.00 is the top value for this holster... probably bring half again that! Rare and unusual maker for pig-skin though??... best of luck! til...lat'r...GT

Pete Ebbink · 06-26-2004, 09:46 PM

Hello GT...

There was a "message thread running inside a message thread" here...

I was not participating in the landyard discussion but was away from home and needed to get Jerry's attention about our mutual bidding on a nice pigskin holster on e-Bay...

I did notice the replaced belt loop...and thought the bidding went too high...

Here is the item, in case other LF members were trying to figure out where the discussion was heading... :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2252379667&sspagename=STRK%3A MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

lugerholsterrepair · 06-26-2004, 10:33 PM

GT, Pete , I took a good look and it is the left belt loop that has been replaced (thin) and stitched in with the non German stitching. I would want to get a close look at the inside. This could adversly affect it's price for me. Good eye GT! I dropped out days ago because Pete mightive wanted to try for it and I have two already.

Gerben, I remember the thread now where these lanyards were discussed. I have examined one closeup and the swivel is not of a high quality. Very fragile as you say. Stamped sheet metal, twisted to shape.The Germans used small but strong brass wire, formed and silver soldered. The leather cording is similar to what is used here in the U.S. for "bolo ties" sold by the hundred yard spool to crafters. Cheap machine braided leather. Portugese lanyards were purported to have been made very similar to this in many ways. I have never come accross what I believe to be a genuine Portugese lanyard.

"What I think is that some German subcontractor made loops in this style for a number of foreign contracts, including the Dutch Navy and the Portugese"
This may very well be true although I believe it to be conjecture and perhaps at this late date there is no way to say for sure.
I have been looking for a Portugese lanyard for 10 years. This one is about as close as I have come...
The Dutch lanyard for the Infantryman was flat with no swivel. I have never heard of an issue lanyard for the Dutch Navy. This is a fascinating photo you have of this type of lanyard worn by a Dutch Sailor...Where did you get it? Is it published? Can you send me a copy to my personal Email? I appreciate your interest. I am putting together all information I can collect about lanyards.

Thanks Gerben, Jerry Burney

lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net

G.T. · 06-26-2004, 11:48 PM

Hi Jerry! I'm seem to have a little trouble with my left & right!

Probably stems from my mothers incessent & unsuccessful efforts to make me right handed!! I meant the left one... Best to all! til...lat'r....GT

lugerholsterrepair · 06-27-2004, 09:21 AM

They took care of that problem for me in the Army! Your left! Your left! your left right left! March! Seemed to work. Anyway nice catch on the belt loop. I guess I missed it the first time around. Jerry

Vlim · 06-27-2004, 01:42 PM

Hi Jerry,

The picture appeared in 'The Dutch Luger' by Martens & De Vries. We agree that Dutch lanyards used on Lugers fell into two distinctive categories, same goes for the holsters.

On one hand, there are the KNIL versions, quite particular in design.
On the other hand, there are the Dutch Navy versions, quite similar to standard German equipment, although the first batch of Dutch Navy holsters were put together in a very, very shabby way. Several photographs of Dutch Navy staff wearing these typical lanyards exist.

Very undeniably, the specimens I own were made in the UK. Don't think Germans would stamp 'Made in England' on them...

I'll mail you the photo material I have.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-27-2004, 05:20 PM

Gerben,Bernie, Thanks very much for the photo's you Emailed to me. This will help no end with the research I am collecting.

If any of the members have anything to add I would love to hear it. Thanks. Jerry

06-26-2004, 11:11 AM	#23
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Bernie, I would be very interested in any photo's of the lanyard you were able to get. Please Email one to my personal address if you would be so kind. Another interesting lanyard is Dutch issue. It was considerably different than the German and I have only seen them in photo's. I do not know of a U.S. or European collector who has one in his collection. Gerben, Please tell me about this lanyard...Do you own it? Could you send a photo to me? This is purported to be the elusive Portugese lanyard. It is made like it has been discribed. Where did you get it? If you have any information about this I would dearly love to know...Thanks all for your participation in this very interesting subject, Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-26-2004, 10:33 PM	#27
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	GT, Pete , I took a good look and it is the left belt loop that has been replaced (thin) and stitched in with the non German stitching. I would want to get a close look at the inside. This could adversly affect it's price for me. Good eye GT! I dropped out days ago because Pete mightive wanted to try for it and I have two already. Gerben, I remember the thread now where these lanyards were discussed. I have examined one closeup and the swivel is not of a high quality. Very fragile as you say. Stamped sheet metal, twisted to shape.The Germans used small but strong brass wire, formed and silver soldered. The leather cording is similar to what is used here in the U.S. for "bolo ties" sold by the hundred yard spool to crafters. Cheap machine braided leather. Portugese lanyards were purported to have been made very similar to this in many ways. I have never come accross what I believe to be a genuine Portugese lanyard. "What I think is that some German subcontractor made loops in this style for a number of foreign contracts, including the Dutch Navy and the Portugese" This may very well be true although I believe it to be conjecture and perhaps at this late date there is no way to say for sure. I have been looking for a Portugese lanyard for 10 years. This one is about as close as I have come... The Dutch lanyard for the Infantryman was flat with no swivel. I have never heard of an issue lanyard for the Dutch Navy. This is a fascinating photo you have of this type of lanyard worn by a Dutch Sailor...Where did you get it? Is it published? Can you send me a copy to my personal Email? I appreciate your interest. I am putting together all information I can collect about lanyards. Thanks Gerben, Jerry Burney lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-27-2004, 09:21 AM	#29
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	They took care of that problem for me in the Army! Your left! Your left! your left right left! March! Seemed to work. Anyway nice catch on the belt loop. I guess I missed it the first time around. Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-27-2004, 05:20 PM	#31
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Gerben,Bernie, Thanks very much for the photo's you Emailed to me. This will help no end with the research I am collecting. If any of the members have anything to add I would love to hear it. Thanks. Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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06-25-2004, 10:28 PM	#21
reich1900 User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Long Island, N.Y. Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	I just retured from a trip to Holland and if any members here want to see a great museum there is one just outside of Arnhem (not the Airborne museum in Oosterbeek). Its the Military Museum (Oorlogsmuseum) 40-45 Kemperbergerweg 780,6816 RX Arnhem. On display was a Luger that had a Lanyard, the first one I have seen and the museums owner told me it was used there during the German occupation. And yes I took a picture of it. Since this was a privite museum he had many items for sale and yes I did ask if he had an extra lanyard for sale but no I didn't get that lucky. Bernie

06-26-2004, 10:33 AM	#22
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Thanks for the hint. I live in the Netherlands and never heard of that museum in Arnhem Did the lanyard look anything like this?

06-26-2004, 03:02 PM	#24
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi Jerry, This one was discussed earlier. It's 'most likely' (no official proof other than photographic) the standard lanyard used by the Dutch navy (K.M. or Koninklijke Marine). It appears to be very close in style to the Portugese one. Remarkably, these are imprinted with 'made in england' on the strap. What I think is that some German subcontractor made loops in this style for a number of foreign contracts, including the Dutch Navy and the Portugese. As they are quite fragile in design, I suppose another supplier based in the UK created these as substitutes. They have the right patina and smell and I have no doubt these loops are over 50 years old. These got on the Dutch market in a small quantity last year and I was able to get two of them. There are also versions reported that have a small leather sliding/connecting-piece.

06-26-2004, 09:38 PM	#25
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Hey Pete! If your looking seriously at that pigskin holster on ebay... look closely at the right hand belt loop... looks to be replaced and attached in a non-standard fashion at the bottom...(what do you think Jerry??) cooled me off on the hunt!!...I think $350.00 is the top value for this holster... probably bring half again that! Rare and unusual maker for pig-skin though??... best of luck! til...lat'r...GT

06-26-2004, 09:46 PM	#26
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello GT... There was a "message thread running inside a message thread" here... I was not participating in the landyard discussion but was away from home and needed to get Jerry's attention about our mutual bidding on a nice pigskin holster on e-Bay... I did notice the replaced belt loop...and thought the bidding went too high... Here is the item, in case other LF members were trying to figure out where the discussion was heading... : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2252379667&sspagename=STRK%3A MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-26-2004, 11:48 PM	#28
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Hi Jerry! I'm seem to have a little trouble with my left & right! Probably stems from my mothers incessent & unsuccessful efforts to make me right handed!! I meant the left one... Best to all! til...lat'r....GT

06-27-2004, 01:42 PM	#30
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi Jerry, The picture appeared in 'The Dutch Luger' by Martens & De Vries. We agree that Dutch lanyards used on Lugers fell into two distinctive categories, same goes for the holsters. On one hand, there are the KNIL versions, quite particular in design. On the other hand, there are the Dutch Navy versions, quite similar to standard German equipment, although the first batch of Dutch Navy holsters were put together in a very, very shabby way. Several photographs of Dutch Navy staff wearing these typical lanyards exist. Very undeniably, the specimens I own were made in the UK. Don't think Germans would stamp 'Made in England' on them... I'll mail you the photo material I have.