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Roadkill · 10-31-2004, 06:16 PM

Anyone out there who can put a front sight on a 1911A1? I picked up a used Auto Ordnance last week for a boat/camping gun, function and accuracy is excellent but the front sight came off today. That was bad but worse was it cut a 1" gash dead center of my forehead. Thanks

Rk

Edward Tinker · 10-31-2004, 06:48 PM

hmmm, I seem to remember that they popped off or were loose when we used them in the amry. I thought we just added locktite to them, but could be remembering wrong...

Ed

G.T. · 10-31-2004, 06:57 PM

Hey RK! Hi! I don't exactly know how to, right at the moment, but i've seen articles on it... send me the slide, and i'll get one on there for you....N/C... Best to you, til...lat'r...GT
BTW, weather report! Beautiful out side here tonight! about 70 degrees.. no wind, no bugs... Lord coke & New York strips... Ahhhh...Life is good!

Russ · 10-31-2004, 07:55 PM

G.T.
It must be nice. I have been working in the snow for the last 2 weeks. But I do get a great vew.
http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/...ater_lake.html

Russ

Roadkill · 10-31-2004, 08:09 PM

G.T., will do, PM me your address, I'll send a few odds and ends you might find useful or for trading. Thanks. Ed, How long were you in the "amry". I aws ni fro a fwe yares msylfe..

Rk

G.T. · 10-31-2004, 08:14 PM

Hi Russ! beleve it or not....I miss the snow.. only when I can play in it.. BUT, if you have to work in it..it's pretty tough.. AZ has been good to me, in every aspect.. On the other hand.. I've never had better times in my life, then hunting ducks, or geese, in South Dakota, in the snow... best to you....Til...lat'r...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

G.T. · 10-31-2004, 08:18 PM

Hey RK! Check your Private mail! Best to all!! Til...lat'r...GT

policeluger · 10-31-2004, 08:22 PM

Turn the slide with the sight in place, up side down on a hard surface. with a sharpened pin punch, create two to three craters in the bottom of the sight, spreading it out until it fill the under cut in the slide, locktite will be of no use....just good large craters until the sight is tight on....and you save on postage...

Edward Tinker · 10-31-2004, 08:58 PM

GT, I was in from 1980-2000, so was a lifer...

John D. · 10-31-2004, 09:13 PM

RK,

The front sight on a Colt 1911A1 is staked on. You can use a drift to re-stake unless the leg is broken off, in which case, you'll need a new front sight with a new tenon. The factory used a "V" crimp tool, which spread the tenon at the base. After that, it was smoothed for the bushing to fit without interference.

Kimber, Dan Wesson, STI and a few others have used a larger tenon on the front sight - or a bevel cut in the front of the slide over the past few years (which is pinned without a tenon), but they vary on the machine cut.

As well - a few custom manufacturers (Wilson, Baer, etc.) have experimented with a crimp and dual-crimp front sight - ala MMC design. You can see what those "crimped designs are, as the front sight will have a "round hole" as the stake-in point - rather then a "slot". As well - the tenon will differ depending on model and sight height.

Just an FYI.

John D.

AGE · 10-31-2004, 10:47 PM

Been there, done that. Silver solder it on or get a dovetail front sight from Brownells.

John Sabato · 11-01-2004, 10:13 AM

I haven't looked at their web site for a while, but I believe Brownell's carries a special jig for staking original type M1911A1 front sights... They have to be staked exactly right (or silver soldered) or the WILL work themselves loose. I had made one a couple of decades ago when actively gunsmithing and shooting 1911's, but lost it somewhere along the way... One staked in place, then the inside of the slide is smoothed up to make sure there is no interference with the barrel bushing.

10-31-2004, 06:16 PM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Injury to insult Anyone out there who can put a front sight on a 1911A1? I picked up a used Auto Ordnance last week for a boat/camping gun, function and accuracy is excellent but the front sight came off today. That was bad but worse was it cut a 1" gash dead center of my forehead. Thanks Rk

10-31-2004, 06:48 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	hmmm, I seem to remember that they popped off or were loose when we used them in the amry. I thought we just added locktite to them, but could be remembering wrong... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-31-2004, 07:55 PM	#4
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	G.T. It must be nice. I have been working in the snow for the last 2 weeks. But I do get a great vew. http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/...ater_lake.html Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

10-31-2004, 08:58 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	GT, I was in from 1980-2000, so was a lifer... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-31-2004, 10:47 PM	#11
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Been there, done that. Silver solder it on or get a dovetail front sight from Brownells. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

10-31-2004, 06:57 PM	#3
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Hey RK! Hi! I don't exactly know how to, right at the moment, but i've seen articles on it... send me the slide, and i'll get one on there for you....N/C... Best to you, til...lat'r...GT BTW, weather report! Beautiful out side here tonight! about 70 degrees.. no wind, no bugs... Lord coke & New York strips... Ahhhh...Life is good!

10-31-2004, 08:09 PM	#5
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	G.T., will do, PM me your address, I'll send a few odds and ends you might find useful or for trading. Thanks. Ed, How long were you in the "amry". I aws ni fro a fwe yares msylfe.. Rk

10-31-2004, 08:14 PM	#6
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Hi Russ! beleve it or not....I miss the snow.. only when I can play in it.. BUT, if you have to work in it..it's pretty tough.. AZ has been good to me, in every aspect.. On the other hand.. I've never had better times in my life, then hunting ducks, or geese, in South Dakota, in the snow... best to you....Til...lat'r...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

10-31-2004, 08:18 PM	#7
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Hey RK! Check your Private mail! Best to all!! Til...lat'r...GT

10-31-2004, 08:22 PM	#8
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Turn the slide with the sight in place, up side down on a hard surface. with a sharpened pin punch, create two to three craters in the bottom of the sight, spreading it out until it fill the under cut in the slide, locktite will be of no use....just good large craters until the sight is tight on....and you save on postage...

10-31-2004, 09:13 PM	#10
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	RK, The front sight on a Colt 1911A1 is staked on. You can use a drift to re-stake unless the leg is broken off, in which case, you'll need a new front sight with a new tenon. The factory used a "V" crimp tool, which spread the tenon at the base. After that, it was smoothed for the bushing to fit without interference. Kimber, Dan Wesson, STI and a few others have used a larger tenon on the front sight - or a bevel cut in the front of the slide over the past few years (which is pinned without a tenon), but they vary on the machine cut. As well - a few custom manufacturers (Wilson, Baer, etc.) have experimented with a crimp and dual-crimp front sight - ala MMC design. You can see what those "crimped designs are, as the front sight will have a "round hole" as the stake-in point - rather then a "slot". As well - the tenon will differ depending on model and sight height. Just an FYI. John D.

11-01-2004, 10:13 AM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I haven't looked at their web site for a while, but I believe Brownell's carries a special jig for staking original type M1911A1 front sights... They have to be staked exactly right (or silver soldered) or the WILL work themselves loose. I had made one a couple of decades ago when actively gunsmithing and shooting 1911's, but lost it somewhere along the way... One staked in place, then the inside of the slide is smoothed up to make sure there is no interference with the barrel bushing. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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