45 luger??

jean · 07-02-2003, 07:10 PM

i was shooting with some members at my shooting club a while ago and one older gent pulled out a 45 luger and was shooting 45 rounds from it... as i was shooting my 45 colt at the time i sai d hey can i try that plz..he gave it to me an i put in "my" 45 rouonds and shoot a 45 luger i then asked him if he would sell it he said yes and i am thinking of buying it think its a good idea??? its a nice piece of hard ware i may just do it...it will be a nice adition to my other 2 lugers...

Ron Wood · 07-02-2003, 09:40 PM

Since .45 is not a common caliber for a Luger, I assume it is a conversion. Do you know who did the conversion?

kidvett · 07-02-2003, 10:01 PM

Hello Jean,

A 45 Luger in Canada?? Interesting!! What part of the country are you from?? I'd be curious to know which Gunsmith did the conversion as it's most likely a conversion!

Keep us updated!

kidvett

jean · 07-02-2003, 10:03 PM

i believe it was him he use to work for a Luger manufacturer that or its a real non converted Luger...its a real beautiful gun i am going to buy it soon as i can...it has its own holster and tools that come with it...and mags as well all the accessories

Edward Tinker · 07-02-2003, 10:24 PM

This would prove interesting to see Jean. There are several different conversions around, only two known real (early 1900's) 45 Lugers.

People known to have made conversions or copies of the 45:

Wyatt
John Martz
and Krause who makes copies

and no offense, but <blockquote>quote:<hr />...use to work for a Luger manufacturer that or its a real non converted Luger... ...it has its own holster and tools that come with it...and mags as well all the accessories

and

he gave it to me an i put in "my" 45 rouonds and shoot a 45 luger
<hr /></blockquote>This I have to see to believe.

If you buy it, or can take good clear pictures of it, we would be very interested.

Also, when you say 45 Colt in America, that means 45 "Long Colt" and NOT 45 ACP.

Can you explain how you meant that? It would be pretty hard to put a 45 Colt in a pistol, there are some "conversions", but none in 45 Colt that I know of.

Ed

jean · 07-02-2003, 11:15 PM

i reload all my own ammunition so when i say that i meen i took my 45 acp bullets and put them into the mag that belonged to the luger and put that mag into the luger and chambered it and fired it a several times...

and no disrespect taken we are all adults here i am sure

and once i go and get the luger ill take as many pics of it as possable i have a vary good 5 meg didgital camera and know how to use it as i work in the movie industry...

now im not saying its not a convertion but it is a 45 cal. luger this i know as i fired it my self with my 45 cal.ammunition...and it didnot have any weld marks on it as 2 lugers put together it looked very origanal but hey im no expert but as i own 2 allready i just thought it would be neet to have...this guy that ownes it lives 41/2 hours away may take me some time ( not to long i hope ) to acuire it...if i cant acuire it ill get pics of it any way to show here...

now the guy that does own it now is german(that in it self dont meen squat)lol but he is an awsume gunsmith

hope to have pics soon for ya to see

jean · 07-02-2003, 11:17 PM

and i was shooting my 45 lama (acp) that day not the colt sorry about that...

wterrell · 07-02-2003, 11:23 PM

jean,
I would suggest to you that you do not reveal the whereabouts of your person or the whereabouts of this pistol to anyone.
There are members on this forum who are employed by the Canadian gov't in the gun confiscation program. They are themselves licensed to possess these pistols and prey upon those who must surrender these handguns to profit financially and also add to their private collections.
Be wary of anyone who inquires.
Regards,
wes

jean · 07-02-2003, 11:43 PM

thx for the info...i just got off the phone with his wife it seems he died and she sold it to a friend for 600 bucks...oh well seems i have to dsee if that guy will sell it for same price of 500 to me...i dought it...

i love the fire arms hobby...

jean · 07-02-2003, 11:44 PM

no edit posts here i see...500 should be 600 my bad

Edward Tinker · 07-02-2003, 11:59 PM

Jean you click on the icon with the paper and pencil and then you can edit.

Ed

John St · 07-03-2003, 04:23 AM

I am absolutely new and green to this but I thought a .45 Luger was so rare that a conversation about a real encounter with one was less than 1 in a billion.
Is this guy for real, or is this a copy or remodeled situation not worthy of real Luger advocates?
John St
By the way, I'd rather spend the thousand on a 9mm anyway so maybe I'm biased.
A .45 Luger?
Didn't the trials prove it unreliable?
Reliability in any pistol or revolver or rifle is the top concern.
Why would anyone want an unreliable product?

Dwight Gruber · 07-03-2003, 10:24 AM

John St,

There are .45 Lugers, and then there are .45 Lugers.

There are two known DWM .45 Lugers, you are right about the liklihood of encountering another (although I think we all secretly dream of finding one).

There are .45 Luger conversions done by a gunsmith named Wyatt (don't know his first name), these are sealed off at the bottom of the handgrip, the grip itself becomes the cartridge carrier. There is a slot in the right grip panel for a tool which pulls down the cartridge follower from the outside, cartriges load from the top. Afaik these guns have rather longish target barrels (the one I have examined was 10" with target sights). I believe less than 100 of these were made.

There are .45 Lugers made by a gunsmith named John Martz. He cut two Luger frames apart lengthwise, offset from their centers, then welded the larger halves together to make a frame wide enough to accommodate a .45-sized magazine; I believe he then made all the other parts to size. These are desirable and well-made pieces, 75 were made.

Gunsmith Mike Krause is currently manufacturing detail reproductions of one of the DWM .45 Lugers. I don't know how many he has produced to date, at $15,000 per gun.

There are rumors, unconfirmed, of one or two sources of .45 Lugers somewhere in Europe.

The 1907 U.S. Test Trials pitting the .45 Luger against the .45 Colt didn't necessarily find the .45 Luger "unreliable", the biggest problem had to do with the suitability of the particular ammunition to the gun. If you track down a copy of Fred Datig's "The Luger Pistol" you can read the original source, he includes the 1907 report in its entirity.

And to answer you other question, any of the .45s described above are more than worthy to this Luger advocate.

--Dwight

jean · 07-03-2003, 10:37 AM

when i track it down ill post pics of it...hopefully wont be to long there are only so many poeple in the gun club that can own hand guns any more...im one of them and i prety much know the others as ive bough from almost every one of them. so ill get it...

John Sabato · 07-03-2003, 10:43 AM

We will look forward to your photographs Jean... the sooner the better.

Welcome to the Lugerforum.

John St · 08-03-2003, 08:39 AM

No Photos so far!
Am I right?

John Sabato · 08-04-2003, 02:31 PM

Still waiting for a response from Jean...

Aaron · 08-05-2003, 02:57 AM

Come on guys, don't you know when you've been had?

Russ · 08-05-2003, 03:29 AM

sounds like something on the p-38 forum 2 months ago????????????

Russ

Edward Tinker · 08-05-2003, 03:40 AM

Aaron and Russ, I agree.

I have noticed that certain trolls come onto these sites and post items that get people all excited, yet they never come up with pictures or further information.

Ed

07-02-2003, 07:10 PM	#1
jean User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	45 luger?? i was shooting with some members at my shooting club a while ago and one older gent pulled out a 45 luger and was shooting 45 rounds from it... as i was shooting my 45 colt at the time i sai d hey can i try that plz..he gave it to me an i put in "my" 45 rouonds and shoot a 45 luger i then asked him if he would sell it he said yes and i am thinking of buying it think its a good idea??? its a nice piece of hard ware i may just do it...it will be a nice adition to my other 2 lugers... __________________ I AM THEREFORE I DO

07-02-2003, 09:40 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Since .45 is not a common caliber for a Luger, I assume it is a conversion. Do you know who did the conversion? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-02-2003, 10:03 PM	#4
jean User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i believe it was him he use to work for a Luger manufacturer that or its a real non converted Luger...its a real beautiful gun i am going to buy it soon as i can...it has its own holster and tools that come with it...and mags as well all the accessories __________________ I AM THEREFORE I DO

07-02-2003, 10:24 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	This would prove interesting to see Jean. There are several different conversions around, only two known real (early 1900's) 45 Lugers. People known to have made conversions or copies of the 45: Wyatt John Martz and Krause who makes copies and no offense, but </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">...use to work for a Luger manufacturer that or its a real non converted Luger... ...it has its own holster and tools that come with it...and mags as well all the accessories and he gave it to me an i put in "my" 45 rouonds and shoot a 45 luger </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">This I have to see to believe. If you buy it, or can take good clear pictures of it, we would be very interested. Also, when you say 45 Colt in America, that means 45 "Long Colt" and NOT 45 ACP. Can you explain how you meant that? It would be pretty hard to put a 45 Colt in a pistol, there are some "conversions", but none in 45 Colt that I know of. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-02-2003, 11:15 PM	#6
jean User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i reload all my own ammunition so when i say that i meen i took my 45 acp bullets and put them into the mag that belonged to the luger and put that mag into the luger and chambered it and fired it a several times... and no disrespect taken we are all adults here i am sure and once i go and get the luger ill take as many pics of it as possable i have a vary good 5 meg didgital camera and know how to use it as i work in the movie industry... now im not saying its not a convertion but it is a 45 cal. luger this i know as i fired it my self with my 45 cal.ammunition...and it didnot have any weld marks on it as 2 lugers put together it looked very origanal but hey im no expert but as i own 2 allready i just thought it would be neet to have...this guy that ownes it lives 41/2 hours away may take me some time ( not to long i hope ) to acuire it...if i cant acuire it ill get pics of it any way to show here... now the guy that does own it now is german(that in it self dont meen squat)lol but he is an awsume gunsmith hope to have pics soon for ya to see __________________ I AM THEREFORE I DO

07-02-2003, 10:01 PM	#3
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hello Jean, A 45 Luger in Canada?? Interesting!! What part of the country are you from?? I'd be curious to know which Gunsmith did the conversion as it's most likely a conversion! Keep us updated! kidvett

07-02-2003, 11:17 PM	#7
jean User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	and i was shooting my 45 lama (acp) that day not the colt sorry about that... __________________ I AM THEREFORE I DO

07-02-2003, 11:23 PM	#8
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	jean, I would suggest to you that you do not reveal the whereabouts of your person or the whereabouts of this pistol to anyone. There are members on this forum who are employed by the Canadian gov't in the gun confiscation program. They are themselves licensed to possess these pistols and prey upon those who must surrender these handguns to profit financially and also add to their private collections. Be wary of anyone who inquires. Regards, wes __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

07-02-2003, 11:43 PM	#9
jean User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thx for the info...i just got off the phone with his wife it seems he died and she sold it to a friend for 600 bucks...oh well seems i have to dsee if that guy will sell it for same price of 500 to me...i dought it... i love the fire arms hobby... __________________ I AM THEREFORE I DO

07-02-2003, 11:44 PM	#10
jean User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	no edit posts here i see...500 should be 600 my bad __________________ I AM THEREFORE I DO

07-02-2003, 11:59 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Jean you click on the icon with the paper and pencil and then you can edit. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-03-2003, 04:23 AM	#12
John St User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am absolutely new and green to this but I thought a .45 Luger was so rare that a conversation about a real encounter with one was less than 1 in a billion. Is this guy for real, or is this a copy or remodeled situation not worthy of real Luger advocates? John St By the way, I'd rather spend the thousand on a 9mm anyway so maybe I'm biased. A .45 Luger? Didn't the trials prove it unreliable? Reliability in any pistol or revolver or rifle is the top concern. Why would anyone want an unreliable product?

07-03-2003, 10:24 AM	#13
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	John St, There are .45 Lugers, and then there are .45 Lugers. There are two known DWM .45 Lugers, you are right about the liklihood of encountering another (although I think we all secretly dream of finding one). There are .45 Luger conversions done by a gunsmith named Wyatt (don't know his first name), these are sealed off at the bottom of the handgrip, the grip itself becomes the cartridge carrier. There is a slot in the right grip panel for a tool which pulls down the cartridge follower from the outside, cartriges load from the top. Afaik these guns have rather longish target barrels (the one I have examined was 10" with target sights). I believe less than 100 of these were made. There are .45 Lugers made by a gunsmith named John Martz. He cut two Luger frames apart lengthwise, offset from their centers, then welded the larger halves together to make a frame wide enough to accommodate a .45-sized magazine; I believe he then made all the other parts to size. These are desirable and well-made pieces, 75 were made. Gunsmith Mike Krause is currently manufacturing detail reproductions of one of the DWM .45 Lugers. I don't know how many he has produced to date, at $15,000 per gun. There are rumors, unconfirmed, of one or two sources of .45 Lugers somewhere in Europe. The 1907 U.S. Test Trials pitting the .45 Luger against the .45 Colt didn't necessarily find the .45 Luger "unreliable", the biggest problem had to do with the suitability of the particular ammunition to the gun. If you track down a copy of Fred Datig's "The Luger Pistol" you can read the original source, he includes the 1907 report in its entirity. And to answer you other question, any of the .45s described above are more than worthy to this Luger advocate. --Dwight

07-03-2003, 10:37 AM	#14
jean User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	when i track it down ill post pics of it...hopefully wont be to long there are only so many poeple in the gun club that can own hand guns any more...im one of them and i prety much know the others as ive bough from almost every one of them. so ill get it... __________________ I AM THEREFORE I DO

07-03-2003, 10:43 AM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	We will look forward to your photographs Jean... the sooner the better. Welcome to the Lugerforum. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-03-2003, 08:39 AM	#16
John St User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No Photos so far! Am I right?

08-04-2003, 02:31 PM	#17
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Still waiting for a response from Jean... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-05-2003, 02:57 AM	#18
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Come on guys, don't you know when you've been had?

08-05-2003, 03:29 AM	#19
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	sounds like something on the p-38 forum 2 months ago???????????? Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

08-05-2003, 03:40 AM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Aaron and Russ, I agree. I have noticed that certain trolls come onto these sites and post items that get people all excited, yet they never come up with pictures or further information. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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