Vlim's Birthday

wlyon · 05-16-2025, 10:08 AM

Vlim Have a great Birthday and many more. Bill

Blm14740 · 05-16-2025, 02:27 PM

I believe Vlim is still incarcerated and likely will be for a long time...

-Brandon

Sieger · 05-17-2025, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blm14740

I believe Vlim is still incarcerated and likely will be for a long time...

-Brandon

Surely you are just joking!!

Sieger

HerrKaiser · 05-17-2025, 07:35 AM

No he is not, unfortunately. You can look further into it and it is best to keep discussion of it on a public forum short, but it happened last July.

kzullick · 05-17-2025, 04:43 PM

Happy Birthday Vlim!

Ben M. · 05-19-2025, 08:01 PM

Such tragic story.

Gerben helped me with vintage Mercedes-Benz auto matters over the years.
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HughMungus · 05-28-2025, 11:00 PM

Happy birthday Vlim . I’d put money on your commissary if knew where you were locked up. If I remember the avatar right east Russia or Germany. Lord knows my family had at least two vcrs in the 80’s

Ben M. · 05-29-2025, 05:53 PM

Been following some of the press releases about Vlim's troubles.

Turns out :

1. Fellow that was shot had 3 previous arrests for home burglary and/or home invasion.

2. Judge in hearing in March 2025 said they did not find evidence of "Islamaphobia" on the part of Vlim as the victim's family claimed.

3. Altercation started inside Vlim's home with the first shot occuring in Vlim's kitchen where a spent casing was found. Vlim's lawyers insist Vlim was the victim and was acting in defense.

So there might be another/many sides to this tragic story.

Edward Tinker · 05-29-2025, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben M.

Been following some of the press releases about Vlim's troubles.

Turns out :

1. Fellow that was shot had 3 previous arrests for home burglary and/or home invasion.

2. Judge in hearing in March 2025 said they did not find evidence of "Islamaphobia" on the part of Vlim as the victim's family claimed.

3. Altercation started inside Vlim's home with the first shot occuring in Vlim's kitchen where a spent casing was found. Vlim's lawyers insist Vlim was the victim and was acting in defense.

So there might be another/many sides to this tragic story.

That would be excellent

Ben M. · 05-30-2025, 09:50 AM

The local press seems to portray Gerben as having some perversion with old guns and mention he has gun collecting licenses as if that if a bad thing.

Hope he gets a fair shake in their judicial system.

Certainly not the case in much of their press/media.
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mrerick · 06-07-2025, 09:23 AM

There is a great deal of prejudice against conservatives evident in media coverage from Gerben's area. There are surely many sides to this that are not being discussed in the media, which specializes in sensationalizing such incidents.

There is a distinct prejudice against firearms and firearm owners there, regardless of the conditions of self defense involved.

This needs to play out. There is no assurance of fairness. Here in the US, I am one of the people that helped define and pass a legal doctrine in my state called the "Castle Doctrine", which Netherlands and Europe is sadly lacking. It would have likely been helpful in this case.

Ben M. · 06-07-2025, 02:58 PM

Yes, called "stand your ground" in many States. Some cover only one's home, but others extend this to your vehicle or a work place. Even to public transport in some cases.

I hope the best for Gerben.

Kiwi · 06-08-2025, 10:02 AM

Unfortunate - Castle doctrine covers any shots fired in your home (The Kitchen) , but nothing covers following a felon out into the street.

mrerick · 06-11-2025, 10:58 AM

That depends on the state and their definition of "Castle Doctrine".
In my state, I helped establish this law in 2011. It extends to your motor vehicle and the "curtilage" surrounding your home or business. This differs in other states.
Clearly, in Netherlands, they do not have this protection in law.

spangy · 06-14-2025, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

3. Altercation started inside Vlim's home with the first shot occuring in Vlim's kitchen where a spent casing was found. Vlim's lawyers insist Vlim was the victim and was acting in defense.

So there might be another/many sides to this tragic story.
That would be excellent t

I couldn't agree more
I see this cockroach's mother is already crying "Islamophobia" on the part of Vlim as the victim's family claimed.
This being the same low moral 'mother' who instilled into her 'little boy' all the morals of a low life thief while rearing him.

I am sorry - I don't mean to be emotional BUT I LIKE VLIM/GERBAN VERY MUCH - THIS SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED TO HIM.
I only hope that the Netherlands are not as blind when they gather all the facts that will prove that Vlim did what ANY MAN would do protecting his hard earned belongings from lazy immoral scum who would STEAL a man's possessions !!

Sieger · 06-14-2025, 09:38 PM

Spangy:

Agreed!!

After all, some people simply deserve to be killed!!

Sieger

spangy · Yesterday, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieger

Spangy:

Agreed!!

After all, some people simply deserve to be killed!!

Sieger

It takes all kinds to make our world go around but i would just as soon thieves were NOT TOLERATED

05-16-2025, 10:08 AM	#1
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 2,609 Times in 968 Posts	Vlim's Birthday Vlim Have a great Birthday and many more. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

05-17-2025, 07:35 AM	#4
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 865 Thanks: 816 Thanked 879 Times in 421 Posts	No he is not, unfortunately. You can look further into it and it is best to keep discussion of it on a public forum short, but it happened last July. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

05-28-2025, 11:00 PM	#7
HughMungus User Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: USA Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Happy birthday Vlim . I’d put money on your commissary if knew where you were locked up. If I remember the avatar right east Russia or Germany. Lord knows my family had at least two vcrs in the 80’s Last edited by HughMungus; 05-29-2025 at 12:46 AM.

05-30-2025, 09:50 AM	#10
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 497 Thanks: 96 Thanked 144 Times in 89 Posts	The local press seems to portray Gerben as having some perversion with old guns and mention he has gun collecting licenses as if that if a bad thing. Hope he gets a fair shake in their judicial system. Certainly not the case in much of their press/media. . Last edited by Ben M.; 05-30-2025 at 10:49 AM.

06-07-2025, 09:23 AM	#11
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	There is a great deal of prejudice against conservatives evident in media coverage from Gerben's area. There are surely many sides to this that are not being discussed in the media, which specializes in sensationalizing such incidents. There is a distinct prejudice against firearms and firearm owners there, regardless of the conditions of self defense involved. This needs to play out. There is no assurance of fairness. Here in the US, I am one of the people that helped define and pass a legal doctrine in my state called the "Castle Doctrine", which Netherlands and Europe is sadly lacking. It would have likely been helpful in this case. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-16-2025, 02:27 PM	#2
Blm14740 User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Tennessee Posts: 54 Thanks: 7 Thanked 61 Times in 18 Posts	I believe Vlim is still incarcerated and likely will be for a long time... -Brandon

05-17-2025, 04:43 PM	#5
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 236 Thanks: 678 Thanked 102 Times in 83 Posts	Happy Birthday Vlim!

05-19-2025, 08:01 PM	#6
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 497 Thanks: 96 Thanked 144 Times in 89 Posts	Such tragic story. Gerben helped me with vintage Mercedes-Benz auto matters over the years. .

05-29-2025, 05:53 PM	#8
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 497 Thanks: 96 Thanked 144 Times in 89 Posts	Been following some of the press releases about Vlim's troubles. Turns out : 1. Fellow that was shot had 3 previous arrests for home burglary and/or home invasion. 2. Judge in hearing in March 2025 said they did not find evidence of "Islamaphobia" on the part of Vlim as the victim's family claimed. 3. Altercation started inside Vlim's home with the first shot occuring in Vlim's kitchen where a spent casing was found. Vlim's lawyers insist Vlim was the victim and was acting in defense. So there might be another/many sides to this tragic story.

06-07-2025, 02:58 PM	#12
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 497 Thanks: 96 Thanked 144 Times in 89 Posts	Yes, called "stand your ground" in many States. Some cover only one's home, but others extend this to your vehicle or a work place. Even to public transport in some cases. I hope the best for Gerben.

06-08-2025, 10:02 AM	#13
Kiwi User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Wrong side of the Delaware river Posts: 320 Thanks: 229 Thanked 456 Times in 180 Posts	Unfortunate - Castle doctrine covers any shots fired in your home (The Kitchen) , but nothing covers following a felon out into the street.

06-11-2025, 10:58 AM	#14
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	That depends on the state and their definition of "Castle Doctrine". In my state, I helped establish this law in 2011. It extends to your motor vehicle and the "curtilage" surrounding your home or business. This differs in other states. Clearly, in Netherlands, they do not have this protection in law. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-14-2025, 09:38 PM	#16
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,578 Thanks: 2,141 Thanked 401 Times in 250 Posts	Spangy: Agreed!! After all, some people simply deserve to be killed!! Sieger

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