Help with a Commercial Luger

[reiver]

Cont. I know everyone plays on the side of caution but one question.... many have said you can 'break a toggle' etc. If the weapon with a normal round ( Winch 1154 WB) will not extract and a plus P (hand held) will stovepipe then the toggle assembly is not even hitting the frame ramp or just barely.

How does one break the toggle/action in that case?

Not being argumentative but maybe I am missing something.

[gunbugs]

The pressure of a cartridge fired in the Luger is transmitted to the inclined locking surface of the rear toggle link, not the frame ramps. Cracks can develop in the corners of these areas, both in the toggle link and in the frame. The barrel make take pressure "til the cows come home", but the rearward pressure on the somewhat fragile toggle train is the weak point.

[reiver]

Originally Posted by gunbugs

The pressure of a cartridge fired in the Luger is transmitted to the inclined locking surface of the rear toggle link, not the frame ramps. Cracks can develop in the corners of these areas, both in the toggle link and in the frame. The barrel make take pressure "til the cows come home", but the rearward pressure on the somewhat fragile toggle train is the weak point.

Thanks, my question is this. I get your description too.

I can see that if the weapon is cycling fully and one is using a hot round. That could easily stress and fracture those thin/cut out areas. Are you saying that the same stress is present even if the weapon will not fully cycle or execute a full action movement?

However, imo, If there is not enough pressure, or barely enough pressure, to cycle the action is that stressing that area? I would say no but I am no expert on the Luger specifically. If it is not being 'hit' or not hit hard it should be within its capability.??

p.s. I am not trying to validate using +p or any specific round...simply trying to garner the experience of those here by asking pointed questions. I know, at some point, I will be dealing with a long barrel unassisted by the forward stock helper as I won't spend that kind of money for a carbine...and I want a 9mm.