John & Georg's Ears; an 8 Years Legal Issue

[Mister Sunshine]

In regards to the togggle action, neither Borchardt, Browning or Luger came up with idea, Winchester did. Both the 1873 and the 1876 used it as did Hiram Maxim in his machine gun. I have not heard of those companies being sued.

[Doubs]

Originally Posted by Mister Sunshine

In regards to the togggle action, neither Borchardt, Browning or Luger came up with idea, Winchester did. Both the 1873 and the 1876 used it as did Hiram Maxim in his machine gun. I have not heard of those companies being sued.

Winchester was not the inventor of the toggle mechanism used in the 1873 rifle. The inventor was Benjamin Tyler Henry whose 1860 Henry rifle was manufactured by the New Haven Arms Company from 1860 until 1866. The New Haven Arms Company was then renamed the Winchester Arms Company and they released an improved Model 1866 rifle.

Until John Browning designed the mechanism that became the 1886 Winchester, the Winchester lever action rifles were unable to handle cartridges more powerful than pistol calibers.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by Doubs

Winchester was not the inventor of the toggle mechanism used in the 1873 rifle. The inventor was Benjamin Tyler Henry whose 1860 Henry rifle was manufactured by the New Haven Arms Company from 1860 until 1866. The New Haven Arms Company was then renamed the Winchester Arms Company and they released an improved Model 1866 rifle.

Until John Browning designed the mechanism that became the 1886 Winchester, the Winchester lever action rifles were unable to handle cartridges more powerful than pistol calibers.

Doubs,

The facts you quote seem true and complete enough to me!

Browning's 1886 design perfected the locking-system of another engineer's prototype he reworked with his Winchester 1885 Single-Shot Rifle lock-up system. This made the 1886 Winchester capable of shooting full-power black powder cartridges, such as the U.S. Government 45-70. Meanwhile, I believe Marlin had already meet that particular challenge in 1881.

None of the aforementioned, however, addressed the full-automatic fire of high-power rifle cartridges.

Again, Maxim seems to me to be the inventor to credit for developing the toggle-system capable of full-automatic, high-power rifle fire.

Depending how far back in time you want to travel, actually, the toggle-system was designed from the human knee's ability to withstand very heavy loads without buckling under the pressure.

Respectfully,


Sieger

[Doubs]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Doubs, Again, Maxim seems to me to be the inventor to credit for developing the toggle-system capable of full-automatic, high-power rifle fire. Respectfully, Sieger

Absolutely agree. The Maxim machinegun was a marvel of engineering that changed warfare forever. It was also the first fully automatic weapon and was based on the toggle action.

[Mister Sunshine]

Originally Posted by Doubs

Winchester was not the inventor of the toggle mechanism used in the 1873 rifle. The inventor was Benjamin Tyler Henry whose 1860 Henry rifle was manufactured by the New Haven Arms Company from 1860 until 1866. The New Haven Arms Company was then renamed the Winchester Arms Company and they released an improved Model 1866 rifle.

Until John Browning designed the mechanism that became the 1886 Winchester, the Winchester lever action rifles were unable to handle cartridges more powerful than pistol calibers.

I am aware that Oliver Winchester never invented anything. He manufactured men's clothing. He bought the Volcanic Arms company at auction and hired B. Henry to see what could be done with the design. Mister Henry turned a pistol into the Henry rifle just in time for the war between the states. It didn't have a lot of power but it was a repeater. Early receivers rifles were made of iron , then switched to brass. The first rifle to carry Winchester's name was the 1866 model. It had a brass frame and was nick named Yellow Boy. It was made until the 1890s despite the fact that the '73 and '76 were available. I have owned three '73 Winchesters but I didn't care for them. Personally, I don't like any Winchester made before 1892. I once had six of them. I got hooked on single shots and never looked back.