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[Doubs]

I did a little research in my Gortz & Sturgess red books and there is a paragraph addressing the SU markings on page 475.

To summarize, the SU stamp with two digits between 25 & 40 were used by the Spandau repair depot to mark commercial pistols that were converted to military specs by adding numbers in the military style, or had major repairs or were built up from spare parts. The SU stamp is the H. Za. identification and the two digits indicate the year the work was done.

The subject pistol appears to be a legitimate pistol and not boosted.

[schutzen-jager]

Originally Posted by Doubs

I did a little research in my Gortz & Sturgess red books and there is a paragraph addressing the SU markings on page 475.

To summarize, the SU stamp with two digits between 25 & 40 were used by the Spandau repair depot to mark commercial pistols that were converted to military specs by adding numbers in the military style, or had major repairs or were built up from spare parts. The SU stamp is the H. Za. identification and the two digits indicate the year the work was done.

The subject pistol appears to be a legitimate pistol and not boosted.

posted listing link clearly states that it is in .30 caliber so it was not converted to any German military specs at Spandau repair Depot -

[Doubs]

Originally Posted by schutzen-jager

posted listing link clearly states that it is in .30 caliber so it was not converted to any German military specs at Spandau repair Depot -

Please go to page 476 in G&S red books. It clearly shows that .30 caliber Lugers were indeed converted to military specs at Spandau repair depot.

[schutzen-jager]

Originally Posted by Doubs

Please go to page 476 in G&S red books. It clearly shows that .30 caliber Lugers were indeed converted to military specs at Spandau repair depot.

if converted to German arsenal specs they would be in 9mm + not .30 as is the one in listing - 3 3/4" bbl. ? - the electro pencil marking seem very dubious to me - does not appear to be arsenal quality at all to me -

[spangy]

Originally Posted by schutzen-jager

posted listing link clearly states that it is in .30 caliber so it was not converted to any German military specs at Spandau repair Depot -

The main thrust of Doub's observations has nothing to do with this pistols caliber. It has to do with the addition of 'military' marks in accordance with military specifications.

The 'conversion' is not one of caliber but one of converting a commercial Luger into a military Luger as per military standards.

Myself I do agree that the "electro pencil marking seem very dubious to me - does not appear to be arsenal quality at all to me - " however I have seen this done on Luger's in the past.

It strikes me as odd that the rear toggle is stamped 20 and then the remaining spots are electro-penciled.

Still something 'fishy' with this gun but I like it. The question to me is if this gun was legitimately altered or unscrupulously altered. I can see both possibilities as being true so back to square zero for me.

As for the 3.75" barrel ... Treaty of Versailles mandates that ... After all Su/25 indicates the alteration occurred in 1925.

Thanks Doubs and schutzen-jager ... spirited debate is a good thing.

[schutzen-jager]

Originally Posted by spangy

The main thrust of Doub's observations has nothing to do with this pistols caliber. It has to do with the addition of 'military' marks in accordance with military specifications.

The 'conversion' is not one of caliber but one of converting a commercial Luger into a military Luger as per military standards.

Myself I do agree that the "electro pencil marking seem very dubious to me - does not appear to be arsenal quality at all to me - " however I have seen this done on Luger's in the past.

It strikes me as odd that the rear toggle is stamped 20 and then the remaining spots are electro-penciled.

Still something 'fishy' with this gun but I like it. The question to me is if this gun was legitimately altered or unscrupulously altered. I can see both possibilities as being true so back to square zero for me.

As for the 3.75" barrel ... Treaty of Versailles mandates that ... After all Su/25 indicates the alteration occurred in 1925.

Thanks Doubs and schutzen-jager ... spirited debate is a good thing.

the military specs + standards would have been only 9mm for that arsenal + not .30 - iirc the 3 3/4" regulation was mostly ignored with the exception of some new production , my post 1920 Weimer reworks have 4" -