Lugers in the old west

Sieger · 09-14-2021, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by schutzen-jager

many decades ago Elmer Keith wrote in one of his magazine columns that one of his wranglers he used on his pack in trips carried a luger - his reason being that the luger would shoot clear thru an oak wagon tongue , while no .32 , .38, .44 , or .45 could !

Hi,

Please explain just what "an oak wagon tongue" is.

Thanks!

Sieger

gunbugs · 09-14-2021, 08:51 PM

The wagon tongue is the part that extends forward from the wagon that the harnesses are attached to.

Sieger · 09-15-2021, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gunbugs

The wagon tongue is the part that extends forward from the wagon that the harnesses are attached to.

Thanks for your response!

Well, as much as I really love the original 9mm Parabellum round, I really doubt that the other rounds listed were such poor performers.

Remembering that even the German Army round was only a 123 grain bullet at 1,076 fps, Keith's comment seems to lack accuracy to me. Penetration tests of the other rounds listed should easily verify the truth here.

Respectfully,

Sieger

gunbugs · 09-15-2021, 09:09 AM

Back in the day, Keith was probably talking about the 30 cal instead of the 9mm.

schutzen-jager · 09-15-2021, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gunbugs

Back in the day, Keith was probably talking about the 30 cal instead of the 9mm.

+ the other calibers mentioned were probably low powered or utilizing very soft lead projectiles - the fmj .30 luger cartridge would exhibit superior penetration -

Sieger · 09-15-2021, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by schutzen-jager

+ the other calibers mentioned were probably low powered or utilizing very soft lead projectiles - the fmj .30 luger cartridge would exhibit superior penetration -

May be, but the 7.65 Parabellum really is not all that powerful either, a real toy compared to a 7.63 Mauser or a 7.62 Tokerav.

In the original booklet, that came with the Parabellum Pistols, there are penetration figures included. Yes, the 7.65 penetrates deeper in wood than the 9mm does.

Sieger

schutzen-jager · 09-15-2021, 03:32 PM

definitely Mauser broom handles in old west , but the Tokerevs came much later -

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