Engraved Navy

Proofed · 09-26-2019, 10:55 PM

Could very well be hogwash as far as I know, no matter its still top shelf to me.

A close up of the dog tag which I know nothing about, is it a repo or a real one. Some pics of the rounds.

Later will send pics of the books and some photos from the album

Does anyone know what this pin represents

Would hogwash still get me a link to the navy list ?

tenbears · 09-27-2019, 12:16 AM

This is only the second pimp gun Navy Luger I have seen. The first one I posted pics on Still's forum years ago it even had fake 1ST Torpedo Div unit marks.

m1903a3 · 10-18-2019, 03:34 PM

I cant't say if the I.D. tag is real or not, but the /45K means the owner was inducted in 1945 and was in the Küstendienst (coastal service). Not a U-Boot.

As for the pistol, I agree with Norm that the engraving is most likely post-WWII and that the embellishments to make the U-Boat connection came later.

Personally, it makes me sad because a plain vanilla P.04 277 would have been more valuable and collectible. The early (>400) 1906 contract P.04s had several characteristics that set them apart from the rest of the 1906 pistols and make them quite rare and desirable for a Navy collector like myself.

As for the engraving, well I enjoy looking at beautifully engraved commercial firearms, and appreciate the artistry. But I'm much less fond of it on a military pistol.

Proofed · 10-19-2019, 03:47 AM

Thanks for your thoughts and info on the coastal service, that is another piece of the puzzle as this pistol came with a 25 year faithful service cross w/ribbon. as I understand it that was only awarded to civilians. There is also a 1940's book of picture and profiles of the worlds ships as would be used for identification purposes. This pistol may have been presented to someone who served in that coastal watch capacity through out the war. It gives me another avenue to explore.
I certainly understand your position on what's been done to a rare pistol however its irreversible and it still holds someplace in history. and being what it is should be respected enough to try and find its true place/story. I guess back in the day people weren't as concerned with purity and collectability as we are today. Besides it keeps me busy looking for answers, somebody should do it.
It always amuses me when I see the write ups on lugers for sale as they all seemed to have belonged to officers or have been taken from officers or other high ranking officials etc., you know the story. I will send some pics of the books at some point in case anyone can add anything to the hunt. Thanks again.

Proofed · 01-18-2021, 02:35 AM

Altamont grips modified for the grip safety

09-26-2019, 10:55 PM	#1
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Could very well be hogwash as far as I know, no matter its still top shelf to me. A close up of the dog tag which I know nothing about, is it a repo or a real one. Some pics of the rounds. Later will send pics of the books and some photos from the album Does anyone know what this pin represents Would hogwash still get me a link to the navy list ? Attached Thumbnails

10-18-2019, 03:34 PM	#3
m1903a3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 199 Thanks: 26 Thanked 319 Times in 113 Posts	I cant't say if the I.D. tag is real or not, but the /45K means the owner was inducted in 1945 and was in the Küstendienst (coastal service). Not a U-Boot. As for the pistol, I agree with Norm that the engraving is most likely post-WWII and that the embellishments to make the U-Boat connection came later. Personally, it makes me sad because a plain vanilla P.04 277 would have been more valuable and collectible. The early (>400) 1906 contract P.04s had several characteristics that set them apart from the rest of the 1906 pistols and make them quite rare and desirable for a Navy collector like myself. As for the engraving, well I enjoy looking at beautifully engraved commercial firearms, and appreciate the artistry. But I'm much less fond of it on a military pistol. __________________ - Mike Life member: NRA, OVMS, VGCA Member: NAPCA, N-SSA(Veteran) Si vis pacem, para bellum

10-19-2019, 03:47 AM	#4
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Thanks for your thoughts and info on the coastal service, that is another piece of the puzzle as this pistol came with a 25 year faithful service cross w/ribbon. as I understand it that was only awarded to civilians. There is also a 1940's book of picture and profiles of the worlds ships as would be used for identification purposes. This pistol may have been presented to someone who served in that coastal watch capacity through out the war. It gives me another avenue to explore. I certainly understand your position on what's been done to a rare pistol however its irreversible and it still holds someplace in history. and being what it is should be respected enough to try and find its true place/story. I guess back in the day people weren't as concerned with purity and collectability as we are today. Besides it keeps me busy looking for answers, somebody should do it. It always amuses me when I see the write ups on lugers for sale as they all seemed to have belonged to officers or have been taken from officers or other high ranking officials etc., you know the story. I will send some pics of the books at some point in case anyone can add anything to the hunt. Thanks again. Attached Thumbnails

01-18-2021, 02:35 AM	#5
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	engraved grips Altamont grips modified for the grip safety Attached Thumbnails

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09-27-2019, 12:16 AM	#2
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	This is only the second pimp gun Navy Luger I have seen. The first one I posted pics on Still's forum years ago it even had fake 1ST Torpedo Div unit marks.