9MMX19 reloading

DavidJayUden · 01-02-2019, 05:42 PM

David,
Are you telling us that your new Walther will not fire standard 9MM round nose ball ammo? I find this a little hard to believe.

No. I am saying that using the Missouri Bullet Company "Parabellum" 9 mm RN lead cast bullets in reloads the Walther PPQ will not allow them far enough into the barrel in order to close the slide completely as the lands actually contact the shoulders of the bullets. This only happens with those bullets because they are much more round than tapered or pointed. They look a bit like mini-.45ACP ball bullets. However those same bullets/loads DO work entirely fine in the Lugers.
dju

Sieger · 01-02-2019, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

David,
Are you telling us that your new Walther will not fire standard 9MM round nose ball ammo? I find this a little hard to believe.

No. I am saying that using the Missouri Bullet Company "Parabellum" 9 mm RN lead cast bullets in reloads the Walther PPQ will not allow them far enough into the barrel in order to close the slide completely as the lands actually contact the shoulders of the bullets. This only happens with those bullets because they are much more round than tapered or pointed. They look a bit like mini-.45ACP ball bullets. However those same bullets/loads DO work entirely fine in the Lugers.
dju

Dave,

Strangely, I have experienced just the opposite with Missouri's 124 Grain Cast Round Nose Bullets.

When loaded to proper O.A.L., 1.173 inches, they cause constant jams in my Lugers.

As you suggest, the overly rounded bullet tip may be the cause of the problem.

Respectfully,

Sieger

Rick W. · 01-02-2019, 07:29 PM

I was about to set off on making myself a die in the garage this afternoon. I had read various articles about die designs improving in the past decade or so............then it dawned on me the issue. Me, not being overly intelligent, finally figured things out..........abeit slowly.

So I tried loading up 150x of 9mm's with the new deal and existing die set; same components that gave me fits. All gaged. Could not do that before, all were straight and fit in the gage nicely.

So......I think.............I found it.

As to brass, I explained earlier that I mainly use once fired local police brass when they qualify folks. So I have confidence in the source. Also some friends that do not reload but shoot heavily every week, have taken pity on me and gather their once fired brass........for me. I have made them wooden pistol cases in return, so all evens out. No, I do not go to a range pick out brass from the mud etc etc.....When I buy once fired preowned brass, 2-3 cents per case; so more economical than new. I would like to use new for everything, but I shoot too much and loss is high; besides my preowned brass suffices for my range work/plinking/fun. I think some of the choice of brass comes from working knowledge and knowing the source.

So as most things, you gotta stay with it if you wanna know more. This was a exasperating time, but we got thru it and ready to reap the rewards; not only from a $ point of view, but the pride of figuring it out rather than throwing mass quantities of money at it.........I was close to the latter, but lucked out at the last minute.

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01-02-2019, 05:42 PM	#1
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	David, Are you telling us that your new Walther will not fire standard 9MM round nose ball ammo? I find this a little hard to believe. No. I am saying that using the Missouri Bullet Company "Parabellum" 9 mm RN lead cast bullets in reloads the Walther PPQ will not allow them far enough into the barrel in order to close the slide completely as the lands actually contact the shoulders of the bullets. This only happens with those bullets because they are much more round than tapered or pointed. They look a bit like mini-.45ACP ball bullets. However those same bullets/loads DO work entirely fine in the Lugers. dju

01-02-2019, 07:29 PM	#3
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	I was about to set off on making myself a die in the garage this afternoon. I had read various articles about die designs improving in the past decade or so............then it dawned on me the issue. Me, not being overly intelligent, finally figured things out..........abeit slowly. So I tried loading up 150x of 9mm's with the new deal and existing die set; same components that gave me fits. All gaged. Could not do that before, all were straight and fit in the gage nicely. So......I think.............I found it. As to brass, I explained earlier that I mainly use once fired local police brass when they qualify folks. So I have confidence in the source. Also some friends that do not reload but shoot heavily every week, have taken pity on me and gather their once fired brass........for me. I have made them wooden pistol cases in return, so all evens out. No, I do not go to a range pick out brass from the mud etc etc.....When I buy once fired preowned brass, 2-3 cents per case; so more economical than new. I would like to use new for everything, but I shoot too much and loss is high; besides my preowned brass suffices for my range work/plinking/fun. I think some of the choice of brass comes from working knowledge and knowing the source. So as most things, you gotta stay with it if you wanna know more. This was a exasperating time, but we got thru it and ready to reap the rewards; not only from a $ point of view, but the pride of figuring it out rather than throwing mass quantities of money at it.........I was close to the latter, but lucked out at the last minute.