Fiocchi 9MM FMJ-FP COMBATAvailable

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Don,




Sieger

No machine rest, not one hole either. But, good anyway at 25 meters, and from a 4 inch barrel, shot one handed in competition.

First target 115 gr WWB before they "improved" them.

Second and third targets, my own reloads with 124 gr FP bullets and Vectan BA9.

And for your information. I am not a fan of Fiocchi. You can get 3 well grouped shots and 2 flyers in one 5 shot string.


Edit. Wrong quote. It should have been Don Voigt's. Sorry.

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by kurusu

No machine rest, not one hole either. But, good anyway at 25 meters, and from a 4 inch barrel, shot one handed in competition.

First target 115 gr WWB before they "improved" them.

Second and third targets, my own reloads with 124 gr FP bullets and Vectan BA9.

And for your information. I am not a fan of Fiocchi. You can get 3 well grouped shots and 2 flyers in one 5 shot string.


Edit. Wrong quote. It should have been Don Voigt's. Sorry.

These groups I would expect, but not "one hole" BS.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

These groups I would expect, but not "one hole" BS.

Don,

Thanks again for your caustic comment.

Maybe you suffer from low expectations.


Sieger

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Don,

Thanks again for your caustic comment.

Maybe you suffer from low expectations.


Sieger

Seiger,
No I just don't believe your one hole comment, unless as GT said, it is a "big" hole.
Kurusu "holding the X ring" is a far cry from one hole!

If you can document such a group I'll shut up.

I know what it takes to get a one hole group from a precision bench rest rifle, with a roll of paper moving behind it to to confirm that indeed, the number of rounds claimed were fired.

A Luger just will not do it, no matter how good your hand loads are.

I have "reasonable" expectations, neither "low" nor "pie in the sky".

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Seiger,
No I just don't believe your one hole comment, unless as GT said, it is a "big" hole.
Kurusu "holding the X ring" is a far cry from one hole!

If you can document such a group I'll shut up.

I know what it takes to get a one hole group from a precision bench rest rifle, with a roll of paper moving behind it to to confirm that indeed, the number of rounds claimed were fired.

A Luger just will not do it, no matter how good your hand loads are.

I have "reasonable" expectations, neither "low" nor "pie in the sky".

I know that. But I am only human, very far from a Ransom rest.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Seiger,
No I just don't believe your one hole comment, unless as GT said, it is a "big" hole.
Kurusu "holding the X ring" is a far cry from one hole!

If you can document such a group I'll shut up.

I know what it takes to get a one hole group from a precision bench rest rifle, with a roll of paper moving behind it to to confirm that indeed, the number of rounds claimed were fired.

A Luger just will not do it, no matter how good your hand loads are.

I have "reasonable" expectations, neither "low" nor "pie in the sky".

Don,

Please feel free to comment as you would like to.

Yes, I do have many Luger fired, twenty-five yard, three-to-one-hole (defined as three shots touching) group targets as posted by me over the many years I have been active here. Does that meet YOUR definition of one hole groups? Maybe not.

"One hole" vs. "in the same hole" have two completely different meanings, as we both realize. For instance, a three shot one hole group could be a group with an 18 mm total spread, whereas, a three shot in the same hole group would have only a 9mm total diameter.

My post above regarded one hole groups, not, in the same hole groups, as you will note when you reread my post. Eight shots, in the same hole, would be a good group, indeed!

I hope this clarifies things a bit.

Comments?


Sieger

[kurusu]

This was filmed by a fellow shooter in a normal training session to divulge the service pistol event in our Club page. I was not trying to prove anything or show off. They are just two slow fire 5 shot strings nothing more.

I managed 1 8 ring shot at the begining of each string.

https://youtu.be/B1EPN5CBB_M

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

This was filmed by a fellow shooter in a normal training session to divulge the sevice pistol event in our Club page. I was not trying to prove anything or show off. They are just two slow fire 5 shot strings nothing more.

I managed 1 8 ring shot at the begining of each string.

https://youtu.be/B1EPN5CBB_M

Kurusu,

I've seen this video in a much earlier posting here.

FANTASTIC free hand shooting with factory ammo.

Thanks for the memories!


Sieger

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Don,

Please feel free comment as you would like to.

Yes, I do have many Luger fired, twenty-five yard, three-in-one-hole (defined as three shots touching) group targets as posted by me over the many years I have been posting here. Does that meet YOUR definition of one hole groups? Maybe not.

I can also hold a .45 inch group, with a Finnish Mosin, at 100 yards, with my custom loads for it.

Comments?


Sieger

Thanks for the clarification.

Three shots touching is not "one hole" , IMO. However if you define it as one hole- fine.
If measured center to center, three 9mm shots could be 0.5" or .75" or more, not 0.36" - the diameter of a 9mm round.

A .45" Moisin group is an excellent group; and would be with most anything, except maybe a .22 lr.

As is often the case, misunderstanding is based in definitions.

Groups to me are of 5 or 10 rounds, fewer is not a real test of man or equipment, again JMHO.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Thanks for the clarification.

Three shots touching is not "one hole" , IMO. However if you define it as one hole- fine.
If measured center to center, three 9mm shots could be 0.5" or .75" or more, not 0.36" - the diameter of a 9mm round.

A .45" Moisin group is an excellent group; and would be with most anything, except maybe a .22 lr.

As is often the case, misunderstanding is based in definitions.

Groups to me are of 5 or 10 rounds, fewer is not a real test of man or equipment, again JMHO.

Don,

I'm glad that we can agree!


Sieger

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

No machine rest, not one hole either. But, good anyway at 25 meters, and from a 4 inch barrel, shot one handed in competition.

First target 115 gr WWB before they "improved" them.

Second and third targets, my own reloads with 124 gr FP bullets and Vectan BA9.

And for your information. I am not a fan of Fiocchi. You can get 3 well grouped shots and 2 flyers in one 5 shot string.


Edit. Wrong quote. It should have been Don Voigt's. Sorry.

Kurusu,

Hi, its been a while.

I bet with some Power Pistol powder, you could tighten those groups considerably. Try 5.1 to 5.5 grains and find your sweet spot. Also, what bullet are you using and at what C.O.A.L.?

With a bench rest position, hand held over a sand bag, I'm sure an excellent shot like you could hold the "X" ring with no problem.


Sieger

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Kurusu,

Hi, its been a while.

I bet with some Power Pistol powder, you could tighten those groups considerably. Try 5.1 to 5.5 grains and find your sweet spot. Also, what bullet are you using and at what C.O.A.L.?

With a bench rest position, hand held over a sand bag, I'm sure an excellent shot like you could hold the "X" ring with no problem.


Sieger

Hi back to you. I would have tried Power Pistol already. If it was for sale here.

COL was 1,1 with RG (Spanish brand) bullets.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

Hi back to you. I would have tried Power Pistol already. If it was for sale here.

Kurusu,

Thanks!!

By the way, what bullet are you shooting and at what O.A.L.?


Sieger

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Kurusu,

Thanks!!

By the way, what bullet are you shooting and at what O.A.L.?


Sieger

I already edited my first response with that info, sorry.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

Hi back to you. I would have tried Power Pistol already. If it was for sale here.

COL was 1,1 with RG (Spanish brand) bullets.

Kurusu,

Congratulations on that find, as they look quite a bit like the original DWM TC bullet!!

I bet a 29mm O.A.L. would be about perfect for them!

Is their weight consistent?

Do you know if they are available in the U.S.?


Sieger

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Kurusu,

Congratulations on that find, as they look quite a bit like the original DWM TC bullet!!

I bet a 29mm O.A.L. would be about perfect for them!

Is their weight consistent?

Do you know if they are available in the U.S.?


Sieger

Weight was 90% consistent. I weighted each and everyone of them and tossed 10% that were either more or less than half a gr from 124.

Have no ideia if they are available in the USA, but I doubt it.