Calls For Repeal Of The Second Amendment

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by Major Tom

Taking away prayer and pledge of allegence in schools was wrong.

...except this never happened. Prayer is certainly allowed in schools, it's simply that it cannot be required, or led by school employees. Kids can take a wheel barrow full of bibles to school, or pray their guts out as long as they do it on their own.

The exhortations in 1990s' Berlin to "tear down that wall" were proper. Just as proper are the sentiments--over 200 years old--to "build up that wall," which is the one between church and state, a cornerstone of our secular democracy.

Although it doesn't rule it out, religiosity of any stripe does not automatically imbue morality. The notion that they are tied together is not productive, or even rational.

[robert6715]

Here is some good analysis on the "March for life" that I had not heard elsewhere.

https://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=330&pid=23259

https://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=330&pid=23287

And some rock solid analysis on gun violence in America.

https://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=330&pid=23313

Bills daily "No Spin News" podcast has some of the best news coverage I can find.

Rob

[Olle]

The gun control advocates say that "the American people doesn't want guns". Strangely enough, every time a new gun ban is discussed you'll see people running to the gun stores to stockpile guns and ammo. That alone is solid proof of what people really want. Maybe they just want themselves to have guns, but nobody else? Kinda like the criminals want it to be?

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Just as proper are the sentiments--over 200 years old--to "build up that wall," which is the one between church and state, a cornerstone of our secular democracy.

Although it doesn't rule it out, religiosity of any stripe does not automatically imbue morality. The notion that they are tied together is not productive, or even rational.

Hi,

I totally but respectfully disagree with you here.

In the Bill of Rights, the founders were specifically reacting to the time cherished European custom of making all citizens adopt the same religion as their ruler. The King of England's religion, therefore, had to be your religion. Ever wonder why so many of the early American settlers were of various religious minorities? They were fleeing this "requirement".

The separation of church and state "doctrine" sprang from a Supreme Court decision of Roosevelt's liberal court of that period. Before that time, their's was not the general interpretation of the First Amendment at all. Please read George Washington's Fair Well Address to the Nation in which he states that a non Christian democracy simply wouldn't work. I believe he has been proven correct!

This sounds like today, doesn't it? No commonality of accepted morality at all. Simply do your own thing!! Murder as many class mates as you want, and afterwards, claim that you are some kind of a victim!

I believe the notion that religion and morality are tied together is quite obvious to any deeply thinking man familiar with both, as our "non religious" (secular) society is now in the process of proving.


Respectfully,

Sieger

[Zorba]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

...except this never happened. Prayer is certainly allowed in schools, it's simply that it cannot be required, or led by school employees. Kids can take a wheel barrow full of bibles to school, or pray their guts out as long as they do it on their own.

The exhortations in 1990s' Berlin to "tear down that wall" were proper. Just as proper are the sentiments--over 200 years old--to "build up that wall," which is the one between church and state, a cornerstone of our secular democracy.

Although it doesn't rule it out, religiosity of any stripe does not automatically imbue morality. The notion that they are tied together is not productive, or even rational.

THANK YOU!

As a person who isn't a member of the 3 big Abrahamic Monotheisms, I get nervous about requiring kids to pray to any particular deity in school, or promulgating someone else's religion over an individual's freedom of choice. Our founding father's were VERY clear in wanting to keep any one religion from dominating the public sphere; unfortunately, a huge amount of revisionism has taken place over the last 242 (if I'm counting correctly) years and has given rise to fanaticism exceeded only in the middle east.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by Zorba

THANK YOU!

As a person who isn't a member of the 3 big Abrahamic Monotheisms, I get nervous about requiring kids to pray to any particular deity in school, or promulgating someone else's religion over an individual's freedom of choice. Our founding father's were VERY clear in wanting to keep any one religion from dominating the public sphere; unfortunately, a huge amount of revisionism has taken place over the last 242 (if I'm counting correctly) years and has given rise to fanaticism exceeded only in the middle east.

Hi,

Again, very respectfully, my family was here and voted on The Constitution and The Bill of Rights, in Washington County, PA., in 1789-1790

The establishment clause was never meant to guarantee freedom FROM religion, but rather, freedom OF religion (right to chose a religion, or, none at all).

RESPECTING everyone's choice on this matter is best practices.


Sieger

[Pistol]

What do you expect when the last great "Commander in Chief", or "divider in chief" appointed a converted muslim to direct the CIA, who just so happened to vote for the communist candidate in the 1980 election. The old peanut farmer from Ga was even too conservative for him. Then this former CIA director is part of the group trying to take down our current president.

Then 44 had his right hand man, or woman, Val, who admitted that her agenda was to further Iran. The millions oblamo sent them are now, or will be, used against us and our allies. Just look at the recent missiles shot into Saudi Arabia .

[calibrator]

I'm glad that this thread has sparked the contributors to share their POVs.

Maybe I should have asked for it to be a "Poll", or a "Checklist", as regarding what you are doing to be pro-active in response to the Grabbers.

Yes Jerry, the enemy IS us if we each do nothing to influence the outcome in our own small way.

I think that the main weapon we have is the Ballot Box, because after all, it is elected politicians that are our enemy in this fight (as well as any fight we face in defense of the American Way, not a Globalist agenda). We dodged a fatal bullet in the last election for POTUS. What do you think the current climate would be today if it had gone the other way???

Having an "R" or a "D" after a politician's name is no indication of their intent to support the 2A. However, the 2A would be history today if the deck was stacked in DC now like it was after the '08 election. We need another Supreme to be replaced in the next 2 1/2 years for obvious reasons. RHINOs like McCain and Flake are toxic to the values of the people that likely voted for them more out of party loyalty than sense. Politicians LIE ..... PERIOD. Politicians are for SALE to the highest bidder ..... PERIOD. Make SURE you VOTE, and make SURE you vote for someone you really have faith in.

Educate and influence others that you meet. Most people are like SHEEP, grazing on life totally oblivious to anything they are not spoon-fed by the media (news, sports and entertainment from the Hollywood elite). I make posts like this in order to be proactive in the fight. Everyone I am close to (friends, employers, co-workers, ... etc.) are aware and informed. I don't spend time conversing with obvious political partisans that base their politics on emotions, you can't debate someone who only has emotions and feelings supporting their POV.

SHEEP are also voters. Help open their eyes every chance you get, and hope they will do the same for others they know.

[George Anderson]

Check out the rising star of the American Left. Warning! He's got quite a nasty way of speaking.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/david-hogg-wild/

[calibrator]

Originally Posted by George Anderson

Check out the rising star of the American Left. Warning! He's got quite a nasty way of speaking.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/david-hogg-wild/

There is quite a bit of speculation about his past. He has a history of creating confrontational videos while in Cali. His father is a recently retired FBI agent. He will likely be seen as a CNN figurehead in the future. Some quip that he wants an FWB date with Anderson Cooper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76advGTYIpo

Check out the links on this vid for more insight.

[tudorbug]

I donate persistently in response to the NRA's equally persistent needs for more income. I don't know if the NRA will be able to save us in the end. My donations to NRA-IL, NRA-PV Fund and the NRA may amount to $600 a year in $50 increments and I know that is nowhere near a meaningful help at all.

David

[mrerick]

Many here may not know it, but I am one of the directors of our state's gun rights organization, Grass Roots North Carolina.

I generally keep my political activity out of our forum, but since we've been discussing things here, I'll share my BLOG with the membership:

https://skilledshot.wordpress.com/

As an organization, we have helped write and establish the NC Concealed Carry Handgun permit system back in the 1990's, and have helped write and pass three major gun rights improvements since 2011. H650 gave us Castle Doctrine, H937 in 2013 and H562 in 2015 both implemented a large number of changes.

Understand that much of what the anti-gun people are doing today is based upon manipulation of impressionable young people, a huge injection of money (many millions last weekend) and the collusion of a mainstream media that is carrying out a propaganda fueled agenda.

For example, in 2016 one of the grabber's own progressive "research" organizations funded by Bloomberg, Johns Hopkins University, published a study that was widely acknowledged by the medical community. In it they calculated that 250,000 annual deaths are caused by medical error and physician negligence, and they advised changing the way death certificates are coded as a result.

According to digital analysis that actually counted people in photographs, there were 202,000 plus or minus 15% attending the Washington gun grabber rally.

It's not in the media's interest to go against the gun grabbers and publish truth like that. Instead they just repeat "Parkland school victims" and "victims of gun violence" over and over again. Many more people are actually dying because of the medical profession. Of course the doctors "mean well", don't they, and the gun grabbers are working "for the children"...

This means that those students are thousands of times more at risk going to the doctor than in going to school, and that the equivalent of every one of the Washington marchers will be dead within one year due to medical errors and negligence.

Furthermore, the "Rapper" that sang to the marchers was arrested a year ago for a concealed carry gun violation. The organizers refused to let a Parkland student "survivor" speak because he disagrees with them, and their chief spokesman "victim" was elsewhere far from the actual scene when he was victimized by "hearing the shots".

The stories of lies, deceit, manipulation, and press propaganda go on and on... Unfortunately perceptions are reality, and they are winning the "popularity" war - at least if you listen to the press and some Republican politicians that are apparently running scared.

I know that they appear to be dragging their feet in the North Carolina legislature's super majority Republican house and senate.

[tudorbug]

I am grateful to see the access to the blog. Previously, I have had no idea where to go to obtain reliable information.

David

[calibrator]

Originally Posted by tudorbug

I am grateful to see the access to the blog. Previously, I have had no idea where to go to obtain reliable information.

David

Hey David, finding the truth is hard. It's really as they say, there are 3 sides to every story, My side, Your side, and the TRUTH.

Limbaugh is pretty good at keeping emotion out of his act, and can't be faulted for not being factual.

Alex Jones is a high energy performer, but his co-contributors are spot-on, as well as his guests (Roger Stone is a regular, along with other notables), most articles on this venue have a "Read More" link at the bottom and will take you to the original respected source of the information.

Content on You Tube is now being heavily censored gun-wise after the recent shooting, but links to You Tube will expose you to many similar postings in the right hand column.

You will often find US news way ahead of time by going to the UK Daily Mail of all places.

Do a GOOGLE search by typing in ANY topic you are interested in, and you will get some response and you will get links to read.

There's 3 sides to EVERY story, it's up to you to decide your version to believe after comparing what is offered.

[calibrator]

I just remembered this commentator. She is a Syrian citizen and shares a unique view of the situation there. She's also VERY ..... .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJZRvp6w4wc

[Pistol]

That little opportunist is a pawn of the left

[Douglas Jr.]

I usually stay out of political discussion concerning US matters and its 2nd Amendment (which I admire) as I am not a US citizen and live abroad.

HOWEVER, I live in a country (Brazil) that is a screaming proof on how gun control DOES NOT work - or, if you prefer, only work against law abbiding citizens. Since the passing of a very restrictive law in 2003, that actually ended the right of an ordinary citizen of carrying a self defense weapon and almost make it impossible to even own a firearm, crime rate sky rocketed. You just need to see what is going on in Rio de Janeiro. Criminals (no matter their motivation) just don't give a damn for laws, that's the fact. Hence only the good people is affected, as they die denfeseless.

Again, I'm not a "Apocalypse Profeth" that claim something only to sow terror to the other party. I am currently living in country were the crime became widespread because of the same agenda you are now facing in US. It took 15 long years (and 60,000 murders per year) to have the chance to regain our rights again. But it is under discussion at the Brazilian Congress.

My advice: do NOT give up your rights, fight for the 2nd Amendment - even if you think it is not perfect. If they manage to score even the small concession, they will claim for more.
Words of someone that was in your place, years ago.

[DonVoigt]

I think discussion of "politics and religion" has no place in this forum; it will only lead to bad feelings.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I think discussion of "politics and religion" has no place in this forum; it will only lead to bad feelings.

Hi,

Respectfully, my comments were not addressed to you.

If John wishes to remove my post, he may.


Sieger

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Hi,

Respectfully, my comments were not addressed to you.

If John wishes to remove my post, he may.


Sieger

you are correct, but this discussion will just go downhill.

And although I am not John, I am closing the thread as debating Christianity will get us no-where.

BTW, Jefferson cut out what he believed in for his own bible, leaving out references he found objectionable.. Watched an interesting documentary on it.