A Black Widow With a Big Bite

[CJS57]

So in this case the shill wins the $6,000 Luger. Now what does the seller do? Can't really relist it. And the shill is not going to pay for it. I still don't see the proof of shill bidding.
I have sold several guns on GB that went for fully double the real normal value. No shill. 2 buyers got into a bidding war and in the end the gun was sold and paid for at the huge stupid price. How do you explain that?

[4 Scale]

Originally Posted by CJS57

So in this case the shill wins the $6,000 Luger. Now what does the seller do? Can't really relist it. And the shill is not going to pay for it.

Covered in post #7 and by George's post. Absolutely it can be re-listed after time or on another site, at retail, different pictures or description etc.

Originally Posted by CJS57

still don't see the proof of shill bidding.

I don't see anyone saying there is 'proof'. The comments are on the evidence. In post #7 it it's noted that that it could be legitimate.

Originally Posted by CJS57

have sold several guns on GB that went for fully double the real normal value. No shill. 2 buyers got into a bidding war and in the end the gun was sold and paid for at the huge stupid price. How do you explain that?

Anyone who participates in auctions eventually sells things for more than than market, sometimes substantially more. Bid wars are a known aspect. Shills try to start and stoke those. I see lots of stuff go above market on GB, where I don't think shills are involved. I also regularly see bargains. That some or even most transactions are legitimate has nothing to do with shill bidding.

I don't want to bash GB or even this seller. But, I think auctions represent both risk and opportunity. Understanding seller ruses is helpful.

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by CJS57

So in this case the shill wins the $6,000 Luger. Now what does the seller do? Can't really relist it. And the shill is not going to pay for it. I still don't see the proof of shill bidding.
I have sold several guns on GB that went for fully double the real normal value. No shill. 2 buyers got into a bidding war and in the end the gun was sold and paid for at the huge stupid price. How do you explain that?

Explain that? Sometimes it happens, if you are the seller you got lucky.

On the OP, while one can't "prove" anything, if it looks like a duck... and it stinks- it might be. JMHO.

Sure he can re-list the gun, just say it was returned or the deal fell through, or say nothing at all. No rule against selling a gun twice!