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DonVoigt · 10-06-2017, 12:21 AM

Yes, Rick,
but this is just a "little" pin that was held in by friction when designed.
There is no particular stress on the pin, and it is too light to move under its own weight if fit correctly or sealed, it does not operate in a high temperature environment.

Most any blue locktite will do the job for Tom; just go to the local hardware and don't over think it.
Every thing you have written is quite true, but you have made this simple fix sound like rocket science; it is not. JMHO.

G.T. · 10-06-2017, 01:21 AM

I think we are all on the same page, and agree locktite will do nicely, but in another incident... From 1998 to 2005 I was the General manager of a Mobil gas/ service station, and one day a smartly dress fellow with a briefcase showed up looking for employment as a cashier?... Most of the time, we tried to place college students and others that seemed to be a good fit for the job.. But, this guy was definitely heads and shoulders beyond the type of job position I had to offer? I remarked that the job wasn't for Rocket Scientists, to which he replied, "I am a Rocket Scientist!"

I would have loved to hire him, but I know as soon as a position in his field opened up, he'd be gone.. and I didn't want to invest and the waste the training? Actually probably did him a favor...

... But, it goes to show you that you never know whos going to show up when things are tough? best to all, til...lat'r....GT

Rick W. · 10-06-2017, 07:38 PM

I am not too sure about the use of “rocket scientist” here; is it a reference to a compliment or is it derogatory?.............but not going to worry a lot about it, my time is short now; does not matter right now at all. FWIW, I never made it to rocket scientist status, if that makes any difference to anyone. I just am a simple guy that likes detail.

A comment about heat in this thread was in relation to superglues as per my previous posting. Some blue loctites are ultra high heat resistant(relative term I believe); that was aimed at disassembly issues at some future point. I thought my comments were pretty low level personally, but everyone to their own on that stuff.

The original poster asked for opinions about a loose retaining pin in the toggle system of the Luger. There are always alternatives to any solution, each one having their own possible side effects. The pin in the toggle may take more than one thinks, there is shock at the end of the recoil cycle, and then shocked again at the closing of the system. Lots of ways to attack the issue of a loose pin, I tried to give some insight as to only a few possible solutions. The Luger toggle has humbled me more than once with stuff flying off.

Do I think that my offerings of possible solution are the best for the user?………..well, of course not. I presented some options with a bit of background references for the user to ponder, tis his decision to make; not mine. I tried to give references to allow finding out more about the Loctite products and their proper useage; at this point I am neutral on whether that was a good thing or not on this forum.

I have had the privilege of working with guys that could qualify as rocket scientists, actually they were probably way above of that stuff in my own opinion. I wished often that some of that knowledge would rub off on me at the time, but ……nah, not even close. Those guys were the type of guys that if they did not know it technically in detail today………..they would be up to speed in the following morning. All in all, a hard life for me to make a living at. Oddly enough those guys had sheepskins up and down the hallways(not all but most), but never used their credentials to impress the new guy, all you had to do was to listen to them discuss. They asked difficult questions to make you think and help yourself. What a place to work in, fed me and mine for many years; but all takes its toll.

I wish the guy with the Luger the best, at least he heard other opinions; the forum used to allow differing opinions, maybe that will continue in some fashion.

Yeah, too wordy again........so I will give it a rest.

10-06-2017, 12:21 AM	#1
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	Yes, Rick, but this is just a "little" pin that was held in by friction when designed. There is no particular stress on the pin, and it is too light to move under its own weight if fit correctly or sealed, it does not operate in a high temperature environment. Most any blue locktite will do the job for Tom; just go to the local hardware and don't over think it. Every thing you have written is quite true, but you have made this simple fix sound like rocket science; it is not. JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

10-06-2017, 01:21 AM	#2
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,541 Thanks: 1,342 Thanked 3,742 Times in 1,020 Posts	Rocket science! I think we are all on the same page, and agree locktite will do nicely, but in another incident... From 1998 to 2005 I was the General manager of a Mobil gas/ service station, and one day a smartly dress fellow with a briefcase showed up looking for employment as a cashier?... Most of the time, we tried to place college students and others that seemed to be a good fit for the job.. But, this guy was definitely heads and shoulders beyond the type of job position I had to offer? I remarked that the job wasn't for Rocket Scientists, to which he replied, "I am a Rocket Scientist!" I would have loved to hire him, but I know as soon as a position in his field opened up, he'd be gone.. and I didn't want to invest and the waste the training? Actually probably did him a favor... ... But, it goes to show you that you never know whos going to show up when things are tough? best to all, til...lat'r....GT

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10-06-2017, 07:38 PM	#3
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	I am not too sure about the use of “rocket scientist” here; is it a reference to a compliment or is it derogatory?.............but not going to worry a lot about it, my time is short now; does not matter right now at all. FWIW, I never made it to rocket scientist status, if that makes any difference to anyone. I just am a simple guy that likes detail. A comment about heat in this thread was in relation to superglues as per my previous posting. Some blue loctites are ultra high heat resistant(relative term I believe); that was aimed at disassembly issues at some future point. I thought my comments were pretty low level personally, but everyone to their own on that stuff. The original poster asked for opinions about a loose retaining pin in the toggle system of the Luger. There are always alternatives to any solution, each one having their own possible side effects. The pin in the toggle may take more than one thinks, there is shock at the end of the recoil cycle, and then shocked again at the closing of the system. Lots of ways to attack the issue of a loose pin, I tried to give some insight as to only a few possible solutions. The Luger toggle has humbled me more than once with stuff flying off. Do I think that my offerings of possible solution are the best for the user?………..well, of course not. I presented some options with a bit of background references for the user to ponder, tis his decision to make; not mine. I tried to give references to allow finding out more about the Loctite products and their proper useage; at this point I am neutral on whether that was a good thing or not on this forum. I have had the privilege of working with guys that could qualify as rocket scientists, actually they were probably way above of that stuff in my own opinion. I wished often that some of that knowledge would rub off on me at the time, but ……nah, not even close. Those guys were the type of guys that if they did not know it technically in detail today………..they would be up to speed in the following morning. All in all, a hard life for me to make a living at. Oddly enough those guys had sheepskins up and down the hallways(not all but most), but never used their credentials to impress the new guy, all you had to do was to listen to them discuss. They asked difficult questions to make you think and help yourself. What a place to work in, fed me and mine for many years; but all takes its toll. I wish the guy with the Luger the best, at least he heard other opinions; the forum used to allow differing opinions, maybe that will continue in some fashion. Yeah, too wordy again........so I will give it a rest.